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What are the chances of board games/card games containing heavy metals; especially nowadays? Any games you ever heard of test positive?

Some worry a little bit about manufactures using them, but worry more about the knockoffs using them. Especially since knock offs of board games is getting more and more popular now. Doubt they will last as long either as the non-fakes.

I know ingesting them can cause havoc, but also read that certain ones (such as lead) can cause havoc just by breathing it in due to close proximity.

More people are being alarmed now, considering China didnt learn the lesson in 2009. Your thoughts on this topic please! It generally has my interest following, since we play a lot of board games.



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Barring papercuts, punchout dust, and too heavy shipping boxes I'm pretty confident that I have nothing to fear at all concerning the health and safety of any board game I've played for now and in the future.
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Considering the ancient romans used lead as a sweetener, I think we will survive "fumes" from lead based paints etc. I am not saying it is good for you, but the amounts are so tiny it makes no real difference.
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Considering the ancient romans used lead as a sweetener, I think we will survive "fumes" from lead based paints etc. I am not saying it is good for you, but the amounts are so tiny it makes no real difference.


The Romans also didnt live as long on average from dying of old age, and had way higher nutrients in their soil. The minerals in soils today are way less compared to back than, not to mention they actually rotated crops. Something a lot of farmers dont do nowadays, since it would be cost effective.

Thank you for answering that interesting note on Romans though.
 
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What are the chances of board games/card games containing heavy metals; especially nowadays? Any games you ever heard of test positive?


None, and no. How do you imagine they might get into printed matter, painted sandalwood, and assorted moulded plastics?

Even the lead in miniatures wasn't actually dangerous in that form.

And what on earth do you mean by knock-offs?
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JasonJ0 wrote:
givemeInfoplease wrote:
What are the chances of board games/card games containing heavy metals; especially nowadays? Any games you ever heard of test positive?


None, and no. How do you imagine they might get into printed matter, painted sandalwood, and assorted moulded plastics?

Even the lead in miniatures wasn't actually dangerous in that form.

And what on earth do you mean by knock-offs?
Even if they still used lead.
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I'm pretty sure there's heavy metal in GWAR Rumble In Antarctica Miniatures Rules
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I wouldn't give a teething toddler a piece of lead or cadmium to chew on, but other than that...
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JasonJ0 wrote:
givemeInfoplease wrote:
What are the chances of board games/card games containing heavy metals; especially nowadays? Any games you ever heard of test positive?


None, and no. How do you imagine they might get into printed matter, painted sandalwood, and assorted moulded plastics?

Even the lead in miniatures wasn't actually dangerous in that form.

And what on earth do you mean by knock-offs?


Gonna have to log off, but:

There was a large scare/freeze on Chinese products (a lot of toys mostly), back in 2009ish. The government than had a idea, forget if law passed, to make business's that sell products to test for lead; rather than maker. Goodwill, was in the spotlight for pulling a lot of their book, toys, and games due to health concern.The government stated that books pre-1985 could have lead in them. As for boardgames, all were pulled due to concern. Lead is cheap, and is used because it fills a lot of roles.

Ink in products can contain lead, same with tattoo's, anything that is printed. Am not a chemist, but do know that it is prized for its consistency, look, etc, when mixed in.......and once again cheap.

Paint is notorious for lead, enough said, same with varnish. Companies making products in China dont care, if they did than we wouldnt have to worry about heavy metals. I've also had quite a few games, where I feel a coating on my fingers when handling painted game pieces at time, and of course chipping. I, and others have also experienced at times ink (enough to notice) rubbing off gradually on hands from certain games due to poor QA once in a while.

Not trying to say the above two happen all the time, but they happen more than they should.

As for knock offs, popular games are notorious for it. Its even appearing more now in less popular ones. Search bgg forums, reddit, other places. It is not a new occurrence.

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I wouldn't give a teething toddler a piece of lead or cadmium to chew on, but other than that...


Agree, but if you touch a product with poor paint/ink job and rubs off (even a tiny bit) on your hands you than touch your face while waiting in a game, and voila. I believe a lot of gamers are like ones I have played with when they are bored/thinking they touch their mouth/nose/eyes.

More indirect ways, rather than direct.

I know the amount would be low from a game having toxic metals. But play that certain game a lot and it adds up. Not to mention, people's bodies already have enough crap in them, no need to add more; no matter the amount.

Also, some studies indicate that it can indeed be absorbed through the skin. Would rather play it safe.

But once again agree with your stance.
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I think you would come into contact with more heavy metals travelling to play a board game than actually playing it.
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Breathing the air in any major city is more toxic than anything they could put in a boardgame.


I think you might be over reacting.
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Lead or cadmium in cheap toys made in China was an issue a few years ago. It is pretty heavily regulated now but I can see some small independent KS being ignorant of these laws and going with a Chinese manufacturer who takes a shortcut. I think toys are supposed to be tested for this but board games might not be considered toys. Here is some more info:

https://www.cpsc.gov/Business--Manufacturing/Business-Educat...

It would be pretty rare and even harder to detect. But honestly, even if you had a product like that, it would be pretty unlikely that anything bad would happen to you unless you routinely eat or lick your components.

The biggest issue would be on the publisher because if something came out then they would be forced to recall all the products and possibly sued. Since most board game publishers sell in small quantities I could see where this would ruin them.
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Board games are legally classed as toys.
 
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DegenerateElite wrote:
Board games are legally classed as toys.


The point being... ?
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What's a knock-off board game?

Don't lick your board games and you should be fine.

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DegenerateElite wrote:
Board games are legally classed as toys.


I recently noticed a board game with this disclaimer: "This is not a toy."

 
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Veero wrote:
What's a knock-off board game?

Slang for an unauthorized / counterfeit edition, typically of lower quality.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knock-off
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Olafslomp wrote:
DegenerateElite wrote:
Board games are legally classed as toys.


The point being... ?


To be sold in the EU, you'd need to obey the following http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELE...

That puts limits on 19 specific elements, 55 compounds and requires that the manufacturer signs off on structural integrity, flammability and radioactivity amongst others.
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Not all game are considered toys. That is why you often see 13+ on games that obviously are intended for younger users. They aren't restricted to the same quality standards that toys are.
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Postmark wrote:
Olafslomp wrote:
DegenerateElite wrote:
Board games are legally classed as toys.


The point being... ?


To be sold in the EU, you'd need to obey the following http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELE...

That puts limits on 19 specific elements, 55 compounds and requires that the manufacturer signs off on structural integrity, flammability and radioactivity amongst others.


That's quite often why you see things "not a toy" on stuff that plainly is a toy. It lets them dodge the regs.
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Traitor76 wrote:
Considering the ancient romans used lead as a sweetener, I think we will survive "fumes" from lead based paints etc. I am not saying it is good for you, but the amounts are so tiny it makes no real difference.


Some scientists and historians attribute the use of lead to the downfall of Rome... So. I wouldn't really say that is an indication of lead being fine!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2016/0...

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Veero wrote:
Don't lick your board games and you should be fine.

Oh, now you tell me.
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