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Not to be bitter--all right, I am bitter [1], if I weren't, I would have picked different username--but putting that aside, having read latest GMT update where they announce their newest monster game [2], I could only ponder the sheer popularity of Bulge Battle. And, again, I could only come up with a fistful of possible answers--what your take would be?

A. Bulge=>Americans=>U.S. is the biggest wargame market=>bagbagbag
B. Bulge=>interesting battle, military-wise=>bagbagbag
C. Bulge=>last Hitler's offensive=>pompous tagline=>bagbagbag

I mean, there is so much more to explore: Japan-China, Balkans, Italy even, Winter War, if I were to name only few of the major importance. So why Bulge?

Not that I have anything against Battle of Bulge and reading, again and again, "Peiper once in game but no later that on game turn no. 2" (in ATFT we will have "Kampfgruppe Peiper Breakout", like, really? :-)), it still can be fun but can we, please, look behind Eastern and Western fronts.

Please.

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[2]. https://www.gmtgames.com/p-658-a-time-for-trumpets-the-battl...
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I've heard it said that half of all wargames cover one of these topics:

(1) Waterloo

(2) Gettysburg

(3) Battle of the Bulge

I think they exaggerate -- slightly.

But those are the topics that sell.

And only two of them are US-centric.
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Another 'Bulge design reminds me of all these stale Hollywood reboots. Can no one come up with fresh ideas?

I love the topic; I love GMT; but I am not likely to play this sort of monster game in the future unless the time and living space make it possible.

Having another Battle of the Bulge game will not fill a void, but just be another player in an overcrowded field.

All that being said--carped--I hope the game does well so that GMT does well.

Then, perhaps, GMT will come out with a Spring Awakening.

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Yes, Bulge games might be extremely numerous however this is the one I've been waiting for. This is Bruno Sinigaglio's platoon battalion level baby (Avalon Hill Bulge '81 fame)that he's been working on for years. In fact, I was surprised to see MMP come out with their own. I have been waiting for Bruno's Bulge game to come out for that long. I would see him at the last several WBCs working on it. I personally will be glad to see this one in my hands.
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As interesting as it looks I cannot bring myself to buy yet one more Bulge game.

Besides, I need to save my money for the next really awesome Market Garden game! And oh yeah, where's my Holland '44 pre-order GMT??!

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Wow! Another Bulge game!


"In the future, everybody will be world famous for fifteen minutes."

Andy Warhol, 1968


"In the future, everybody will design a Bulge game."

Pete Belli, 2017 (*)

(*) Has designed a Bulge game.
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Eric Brosius wrote:
I've heard it said that half of all wargames cover one of these topics:

(1) Waterloo

(2) Gettysburg

(3) Battle of the Bulge

I think they exaggerate -- slightly.

But those are the topics that sell.

And only two of them are US-centric.


Hmm... Martin Wallace has only done two of these so far.
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pete belli wrote:
(*) Has designed a Bulge game.

And it's probably the smallest Bulge game on record!
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Now if MMP can announce another Market-Garden game, balance will be restored to the hobby...
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Eric Brosius wrote:
I've heard it said that half of all wargames cover one of these topics:

(1) Waterloo

(2) Gettysburg

(3) Battle of the Bulge

I think they exaggerate -- slightly.

But those are the topics that sell.

And only two of them are US-centric.

I'm skeptical, primarily because it leaves out WWII eastern front.
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Of course you are right that the fact that it involves the US (and some Brits!...) is a big part of the Bulge's popularity, given the demographic of board wargamers.

But personally I think it's as much the 'interesting battle' part. What makes it so 'interesting' is down to several factors: the initial assymetry; lots of manouvres and breakthroughs but with the frustration of roadblocks, blown bridges etc; the unusual chances to see the germans on the attack operationally and the US as the heroic last ditch 'Alamo' style defenders; the fact it's late war, so we have all the big tanks etc, but because of the weather airpower is not dominant; and the fact it's a snow-bound winter, again unusual for the western front and it adds to the atmosphere, if you like that sort of thing. I think all that's much weightier in the balance than a 'Hitler's Last offensive' tag line.

That said, i won't be rushing to buy this one (got Bitter Woods, plus as yet unplayed Enemy Action Ardennes). And I'm totally with you that other good gaming opportunities may be getting crowded out. Waterloo, mentioned above - the battle not the campaign - is great to read about as military history but quite a boring slugfest in gaming terms unless, as some games do, you go down the route of removing all the fog and factors which hindered a French victory in reality. I've got Conflict of Heroes: Price of Honour – Poland 1939 in my games queue and am really looking forward to it precisely because I've never seen or played a Ww2 Poland game.
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Osprey wrote:
Yes, Bulge games might be extremely numerous however this is the one I've been waiting for. This is Bruno Sinigaglio's platoon level baby (Avalon Hill Bulge '81 fame)that he's been working on for years. In fact, I was sirprised to see MMP come out with their own. I have been waiting for Bruno's Bulge game to come out for that long. I would see him at the last several WBCs working on it. I personally will be glad to see this one in my hands.


Battalion, not platoon.
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What's a bigger head scratcher is that they are also going to reprint Ardennes '44 next year which will also compete with the new Bulge game they will produce. It seems GMT likes to compete with itself for sales and pre-orders. I am not exactly sure about that business model, I don't think it's the first time GMT has done that before. I do love their games I just never understood that production/business decision.

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narodynot wrote:
Osprey wrote:
Yes, Bulge games might be extremely numerous however this is the one I've been waiting for. This is Bruno Sinigaglio's platoon level baby (Avalon Hill Bulge '81 fame)that he's been working on for years. In fact, I was sirprised to see MMP come out with their own. I have been waiting for Bruno's Bulge game to come out for that long. I would see him at the last several WBCs working on it. I personally will be glad to see this one in my hands.


Battalion, not platoon.


Thanks Tony. I stand corrected. Of course you're correct, my bad. Had platoon on the brain from an earlier conversation.
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Same scale as BCS - The Last Blitzkrieg

It will be interesting to compare the two.
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Eric Brosius wrote:
pete belli wrote:
(*) Has designed a Bulge game.

And it's probably the smallest Bulge game on record!


Would that be 15 Minute Bulge?

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What's a bigger head scratcher is that they are also going to reprint Ardennes '44 next year which will also compete with the new Bulge game they will produce. It seems GMT likes to compete with itself for sales and pre-orders. I am not exactly sure about that business model, I don't think it's the first time GMT has done that before. I do love their games I just never understood that production/business decision.



Different levels, so won't compete. Rather it brings something to those who think, "I'll never play that monster! But I want a Bulge game."
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We have a common question in our game group.

How many Bulge games do you need to own?

The correct answer of course is: All of them!
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da pyrate wrote:
Eric Brosius wrote:
pete belli wrote:
(*) Has designed a Bulge game.

And it's probably the smallest Bulge game on record!


Would that be 15 Minute Bulge?

That's 15 times too long, David!



One-Minute Bulge
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Someone stop me from ordering this!
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grouchysmurf wrote:
A. Bulge=>Americans=>U.S. is the biggest wargame market=>bagbagbag
B. Bulge=>interesting battle, military-wise=>bagbagbag
C. Bulge=>last Hitler's offensive=>pompous tagline=>bagbagbag

There is also:
D. Bulge=>lots of orbat, maps, and narratives available in English
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Eric Brosius wrote:
da pyrate wrote:
Eric Brosius wrote:
pete belli wrote:
(*) Has designed a Bulge game.

And it's probably the smallest Bulge game on record!


Would that be 15 Minute Bulge?

That's 15 times too long, David!



One-Minute Bulge


How very sad ! The link to get the game is dead ; and no Files either !
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Email the designer, Florent, and I'm sure he'll help you.
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