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Austin Beidelman
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Hey guys,

I've been following the project since the first round got delivered from Kickstarter and last November went ahead and decided to buy in and ordered a 1.5 set and Gambler's chest.

However, I fell in love mainly with the theme and game aspects, while being excited for the miniatures.

I've never built miniatures before. The closer I get, the more I worry that I might be out of my depth. But I'm still excited.

Are there any tips on how I can learn to build minis and what tools I will need before the game gets here?
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Buy good modeling cement like Tamiya, sprue trimmers, files and an X-acto knife.

Work slow and pre-fit the pieces to see how they go before you apply glue. Sand contact points gently so they fit nice and tight. Let the glue dry a bit between assembly steps. Modeling cement will give you time to correct mistakes.

That's the basics, I bought a couple models from the store to practice on and they went together very nicely and took about an hour each. Very high quality designs and the hard plastic is easy to work with.
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I hate to link back to reddit, but these threads do a great job summarizing intros to the game/hobby.

https://www.reddit.com/r/KingdomDeath/comments/5gh91r/kdm_st...

https://www.reddit.com/r/KingdomDeath/comments/5pp5vq/the_be...
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Don't stress out about it. This stuff is supposed to be fun, right? Once I changed my mind set to that, assembling models (and painting them) become half the fun for me.

There are resources to help you as well. Take a look at Vibrant Lantern, the site has a guide for assembling all of the existing models for the game and that all you need worry about for a while as the rest you ordered won't be out for a year+ at this point.

Feel free to ask for advice here too, I'll help in any way I can though it will have to be more "theory" specific to KDM as I am in the same boat as you, waiting for my 1.5 :-)
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Just be prepared. Some of the larger models are incredibly complex. There are also no instructions on how they go together. I am waiting for the core game, but I picked up the Sunstalker, Slenderman and Lonely Tree expansions during the Black Friday sale. Let me just say that the Lonely Tree was a real challenge to assemble, mainly because it was like assembling a jigsaw puzzle! I found it fun, but that may not be for everyone.

You can check out the webpage:

http://vibrantlantern.com/

It has plenty of photos and helpful tips on building the models.
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I'm happy to help with any advice too!

Vibrant Lantern is a HUUUUGEE resource. I would have never been able to assemble a few of the expansions (I'm looking at you 'Lonely Tree'...) without the help from that site.

The thing I love most about this game is that you build the miniatures as you go. I mean, you don't have to, but I remember the overwhelming amount of work I had to do to get Shadows of Brimstone up and running. With KD, you can build as you go.

Have some poster putty handy. It always helps me with picking up small pieces, holding pieces together as the glue dries, etc.

Big Sixer said it best; take your time and have fun. You've earned it.
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aereuske wrote:
any tips on how I can learn to build minis


Don't start with the Phoenix.
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I'm still relatively new to the hobby and some great advice has already been provided, so I'll just add what I've learned: half (or more) of the experience is actually building the figures. I don't personally know anyone that plays miniature games who *hates* building, configuring and/or painting the figures, but maybe that's unusual.

In other words, don't look at the building part as this awful thing you need to "get through" in order to play. Embrace it as part of the experience. I've been doing it now for 3+ years and I still learn new techniques or tricks every time I assemble something. The amount of knowledge and experience available (here and online in general) is amazing.
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The mechanical aspects are covered pretty well. The most important thing is to get some plastic model cement, either Testors gel or some sort of liquid cement. Not superglue.

Before you build, it is recommended that you get out a baking tray, and rinse each sprue in some detergent water to remove any residual oils on the plastic.

Start with simple models (Prologue), and move to complex ones last (Phoenix). Build one thing at a time, so you aren't inundated with loose, disorganized parts.

Take your time - you have plenty of it. A mistake caused by rushing the build to save a few seconds will only lead to tears.
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Thanks, guys!

I really am excited for the game to get here and I'm looking forward to assembling as well. I appreciate the tips!
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Phantom Load wrote:
I'm still relatively new to the hobby and some great advice has already been provided, so I'll just add what I've learned: half (or more) of the experience is actually building the figures. I don't personally know anyone that plays miniature games who *hates* building, configuring and/or painting the figures, but maybe that's unusual.

In other words, don't look at the building part as this awful thing you need to "get through" in order to play. Embrace it as part of the experience. I've been doing it now for 3+ years and I still learn new techniques or tricks every time I assemble something. The amount of knowledge and experience available (here and online in general) is amazing.


Well put! I must admit that it was a lot of fun trying to figure out how the Lonely Tree fit together. It was with great satisfaction that I put the last piece on, without any help from outside sources... Now it is primed and awaiting paint on my desk. I just have one other project in front of it now...
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t3clis wrote:
aereuske wrote:
any tips on how I can learn to build minis


Don't start with the Phoenix.



... or the Lonely Tree like I did... surprise
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Go to the FLGS and buy miniatures on a multipiece sprue. I don't see what games you own, so can't make any recommendations for specific kits. Yes, you ARE out of your depth, and you'll want to assemble other miniatures before you get the KDM ones out. Also read up on mold lines if you're thinking of painting them.

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Order or borrow, read, take notes and implement solutions from this book called "Fail Better: Design Smart Mistakes and Succeed Sooner" to prepare for some very challenging adventures and encounters in your upcoming KDM-campaigns!



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If you’re aiming to innovate or to survive your initial Kingdom Death campaign(s), failure along the way is a given. But can you fail better?

Whether you’re rolling out a new product from a city-view office or rolling up your sleeves to deliver a social service in the field, or are about to confront the monstrosities the world of Kingdom Death has to offer, learning why and how to embrace failure can help you do better, faster. Smart leaders, entrepreneurs, Kingdom Death survivors and change agents design their innovation projects with a key idea in mind: ensure that every failure is maximally useful.

In Fail Better, Anjali Sastry and Kara Penn show how to create the conditions, culture, and habits to systematically, ruthlessly, and quickly figure out what works, in four steps:
1. Launch every innovation project with the right groundwork
2. Build and refine ideas and products through iterative action
3. Identify and embed the learning
4. Maximize the consequences of chosen endeavors

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• Make predictions and map system relationships ahead of time so you can better assess results
• Establish how much failure you can afford
• Prioritize project activities for disconfirmation and iteration
• Learn from every action step by collecting and examining the right data
• Support efficient, productive habits to link action and reflection
• Distill, share, and embed the lessons from every success and failure
Recognize patterns of the actions by quarries and nemesises to anticipate certain possible outcomes of encounters

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t3clis wrote:
aereuske wrote:
any tips on how I can learn to build minis


Don't start with the Phoenix.



Yeah. The phoenix is a tough mini.


If you'd like some practice with non-Kingdom Death stuff, I suggest picking up something from Malifaux. Their kits are very similar to Kingdom Death kits in terms of assembly.

One big thing- dry fit everything before you glue it, and clean off the sprue and flash as you go (sometimes cleaning is necessary for a tight fit).


If you want to learn to paint miniatures, I recommend getting some Reaper Bones minis- they're surprisingly good minis for the price.

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t3clis wrote:
aereuske wrote:
any tips on how I can learn to build minis


Don't start with the Phoenix.



Yeah. The phoenix is a tough mini.


If you'd like some practice with non-Kingdom Death stuff, I suggest picking up something from Malifaux. Their kits are very similar to Kingdom Death kits in terms of assembly.

One big thing- dry fit everything before you glue it, and clean off the sprue and flash as you go (sometimes cleaning is necessary for a tight fit).


If you want to learn to paint miniatures, I recommend getting some Reaper Bones minis- they're surprisingly good minis for the price.



Yeah, if you can put together a Malifaux kit you can definitely handle the KD armor kits. They're not the greatest for practicing gap filling, but you probably don't want to do that unless you're painting them anyway.
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Malifaux even has a couple multi-part kits similar to the KDM armor kits:

https://smile.amazon.com/Through-Breach-RPG-Female-Multi-Par...
https://smile.amazon.com/Wyrd-Miniatures-Malifaux-Through-Mu...

Might want a pair of tweezers too. I did not expect the pieces to be that small, jeez.
 
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Gokufan wrote:
Yeah, if you can put together a Malifaux kit you can definitely handle the KD armor kits.


By Yan Lo's beard, that's a high bar to clear!
 
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riffraff wrote:
Malifaux even has a couple multi-part kits similar to the KDM armor kits:

https://smile.amazon.com/Through-Breach-RPG-Female-Multi-Par...
https://smile.amazon.com/Wyrd-Miniatures-Malifaux-Through-Mu...

Might want a pair of tweezers too. I did not expect the pieces to be that small, jeez.


The first time I bought minis I was kind of shocked by just how mini they were when I opened the package. A lot of first time hobbyists are probably in for a surprise (or maybe my brain is just broken).
 
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Go buy some Malifaux boxes to train. Nothing will ever beat that. So many small parts. A single goblin ear or beard for example.
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If you want to practice cutting away flash, filing down pegs so pieces fit together, removing mould lines, and filling gaps, pick up the Shadows of Brimstone core sets.
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amanwing wrote:
Go buy some Malifaux boxes to train. Nothing will ever beat that. So many small parts. A single goblin ear or beard for example.

 
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Vibrant Lantern has a nice page on getting started, as well as assembly instructions for (i think) all of the core box minis. Helped me decide what tools I should have on hand and a basic idea of how to start (e.g. marking parts on a piece of paper to help with planning, etc). Although I've assembled minis before (Reaper), KDM minis can be a lot more complicated with many more (and much smaller) pieces. So read up on Vibrant Lantern.

I have sprue cutters, files, glue, tweezers, a hand drill, and a head-mounted magnifying lens. Some green stuff can also help with filling in gaps. Citadel makes a liquid green stuff that is pretty good at filling in very fine gaps.

Otherwise, you learn by doing.
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I own a nice modelling kit that has all the necessities, though tbh I’m not sure if it worth upgrading to a better knife and cutters since they are pretty cheap. They work fine on my gunpla but haven’t tried them on a real kit yet.
 
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t3clis wrote:
aereuske wrote:
any tips on how I can learn to build minis


Don't start with the Phoenix.


Start with Lonely Tree right?
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