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Subject: Looking for some clarifications. Did not see consensus on the forums rss

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Justin Thrall
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I'm new to the game and was looking over the aliens and flares. I have some questions on a few specific combinations. Some of these were asked 8+ years ago here, but I did not see any sort of consensus.

1) Tripler wile flare (As a main player, after your opponent reveals an attack card of 15 or higher, you may divide that attack card’s value by 3 (rounded up) before any other effects are applied.)
How does this play out with something like Morph played by the opponent? Normally I would assume the Morph would apply first, then the flare would apply to that value. However, the flare specifically states "before any other effects are applied".

2) The good old Anti-Matter & Virus encounter.
I've seen compelling arguments for a number of ways of how an encounter between these two play out.

2a) Same as above, except add in the Virus SuperFlare.
This is also very ambiguous. I'm leaning towards the Virus' total being Card * (#VirusShips - #AllyShips), but again, a lot of other formulas also seem plausible.

I had a few more, but these 3 really stood out to me in the base game.

I apologize if these have been answered with finality in the past. The only threads I saw on these just sort of died off without a community-agreed conclusion.
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1) Yes, it's before other effects, but it's after revealing an attack card, which can only happen after the morph does it's thing. So yes, the flare would then modify the morph's assumed value (if it's 15 or higher).

2) Ant--matter's total is calculated as specified. Virus's is (card x Virus's ships) - Virus's allies. Low total wins. Good time for Virus to use just one ship.

3) I don't remember what Super Virus does, and I don't have time to look it up now.
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Regarding 2a) here's some discussion that maybe you've already read, or maybe not. https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/609533/one-more-rehashexpla...
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3: I thought Virus's super was (ships+allies)*card? Which is weird vs antimatter since activating it apparently cancels out the way Anti-matter makes allies -. That, or you do it as (ships-allies)*card...
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If that's correct, I'd say Super-Virus's total vs Anti-Matter would then be (Virus's ships - allies' ships) x Card.
 
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I would say that Morph is not an effect that is applied, it simply (and instantly) becomes a copy of the opponents attack card as soon as they are revealed. In which case any maths-like powers are applied after the morph.

I’m not sure I understand the problem with Antimatter Vs Virus. It’s straightforward, isn’t it? Anitmatter subtracts his ships and allies from his card. Virus multiplies his card by his ships. The lowest total wins. Where is the stumbling block here? Am I missing something?
 
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Ryucoo wrote:
I’m not sure I understand the problem with Antimatter Vs Virus. It’s straightforward, isn’t it? Anitmatter subtracts his ships and allies from his card. Virus multiplies his card by his ships. The lowest total wins. Where is the stumbling block here? Am I missing something?

I think it gets tricky when the Super Virus flare is used...See the thread I linked to above for the multiple ways of interpreting this situation!
 
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