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Saw this posted on /r/boardgames:

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Please please please don't let this be a troll post!

Also I literally have upgraded everything in my first edition and spent like $400 or something insane so I sure hope I can transfer the improved components over
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Sounds awesome, thanks for sharing! -- Will there be an Upgrade Pack for owners of the first edition?
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UnalignedMagi wrote:
Please please please don't let this be a troll post!


Right?!
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DomHiob wrote:
Sounds awesome, thanks for sharing! -- Will there be an Upgrade Pack for owners of the first edition?

+1

Would love those ancients, gcds and orbital minis
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Can't wait for more information! surprise
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UnalignedMagi wrote:
Please please please don't let this be a troll post!


It's not a troll post

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vir3ns wrote:
Can't wait for more information! surprise


More information will come available at a later date, but for now everything we can tell you about this project is on that post.

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I'm on the fence about it. Looks like a solid release and probably priced high. But it will contain everything I already have and is still not a complete pack (ships for other races, etc.). Kind of a lose-lose situation. If you're re-releasing the game after so much time, pack everything into it - expansions, figs, etc. and don't make me buy everything once again :/

Ho-hum. We'll see.
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Thanks for sharing this good news but...fine tuned gameplay? please I need to know more about it!
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Eclipse is my favorite game ever, and I have likewise put a ton into upgrading it... But I might still be convinced to upgrade to this!

A couple considerations I think will need to be answered:

Upgrade Pack for 1st Edition owners? (I'm guessing likely not, as I can't imagine there's much market in either upgrade packs or in people who would buy 2nd edition but wouldn't buy an upgrade pack).

How do the expansions fit in? Do components from either expansion get duplicated in this (so its a Base game + ) or is it strictly a base game replacement (and the expansions are still compatible)?
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AndySzy wrote:

Upgrade Pack for 1st Edition owners? (I'm guessing likely not, as I can't imagine there's much market in either upgrade packs or in people who would buy 2nd edition but wouldn't buy an upgrade pack).


I would think (judging from the description) that pretty much almost every component got upgraded one way or the other, so expansion pack doesn't make much sense. The new game is the expansion pack :)

AndySzy wrote:

How do the expansions fit in? Do components from either expansion get duplicated in this (so its a Base game + ) or is it strictly a base game replacement (and the expansions are still compatible)?


Good question.

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UGH... and... also excited. Yes I am with others in that I would kill for an upgrade pack.
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This game is soo good, I have everything for it, and I will probably buy everything for it all over again!
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toniemn wrote:
vir3ns wrote:
Can't wait for more information! :surprise:


More information will come available at a later date, but for now everything we can tell you about this project is on that post.

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Does this mean reprints of the expansions for the original edition are now not on the way? Been waiting for those.
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I can't believe Eclipse came out SIX YEARS AGO. Wow, time flies.
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I just saw this on Reddit, and came here to tell everyone about it. I for one cannot be more excited for this! It's easily one of my favorite games, and I'm so happy they're putting the time into fine-tuning it and making it better!

https://imgur.com/gallery/L5gwO
 
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The game is solid and the iconography is great, but the art is bland and, in some cases, just not well realized. Many of the race sketches are better to my eyes than the final art. A few parts of the player mats, specifically the resource tracks are terrible.

A fresh coat of paint and maybe some mat tweaks would be amazing.
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Sounds cool, but I'd like some bugfixes and expansions in the PC version even more.
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Yeah, suck it, TI4, which by the way is a 3X game!
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Super excited. Hoping for at least a few rule changes rather than just a box of improved components.

I'd like to see Hydran nerfed somehow. They may not have won Worlds this year, but their presence at the table had a disproportionately heavy influence on how the game played out. Maybe cut down their starting science or take away Advanced Labs as a starting tech.

Really like the explore mulligan rule that was used at Worlds.

Really like the faction bidding system used at Worlds.

Nerf to Plasma Missiles maybe? Or maybe just boot them out of the core game and replace with the yellow missiles as a normal tech? Idk, but Plasma Missiles as they stand are way too good. Yeah, there are techs that help against them, but they're rare and only help one player, and they don't do anything to keep missile boats from swarming the GCDS for easy points.

Cut Rift Turret discovery tile, too damn good.

"Custom combat dice" seems like a bit of a flag for me... Does this hint at whole new dice with various symbols instead of numbers, and therefore a whole new combat system?

Would love to see fleet stands as a base game component.

Would love to see a Rules Reference Guide like FFG tends to put in their heavier products. Just an alphabetical guide to terms and rules. Biggest pain in Eclipse is when someone has a rules question or wants to know the specific wording of something, so then you have to remember what expansion that thing was from and find it in one of the many rule books. Just make one alphabetical rule book.
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Link to worlds event or breakdown?
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Amazing news.
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Horse85 wrote:
Super excited. Hoping for at least a few rule changes rather than just a box of improved components.

I'd like to see Hydran nerfed somehow. They may not have won Worlds this year, but their presence at the table had a disproportionately heavy influence on how the game played out. Maybe cut down their starting science or take away Advanced Labs as a starting tech.

Nerf to Plasma Missiles maybe? Or maybe just boot them out of the core game and replace with the yellow missiles as a normal tech? Idk, but Plasma Missiles as they stand are way too good. Yeah, there are techs that help against them, but they're rare and only help one player, and they don't do anything to keep missile boats from swarming the GCDS for easy points.



Potential balance changes were tested. Which of those changes makes the final product is unknown to beta testers. I feel okay saying this as the advert says "Fine tuned game play". Multiple things were examined.
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frotes wrote:
Link to worlds event or breakdown?


Sure. https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1736776/eclipse-2017-world-...

Basically the explore mulligan makes it so people don't get dicked over by unlucky early explores, but it comes at an increasing vp cost. And faction bidding is supposed to balance things out like if someone picks some awesome race then others can bid against it to bring it down a bit. It's neat, but now that I think more about it, doesn't really do that much. It's just better imo to have a more robust system of picking factions since the game does feature a wide disparity in power level between the best and worst factions.
 
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