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Dan Hallagan

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Greetings, all! I am back from some business travel, and want to update the all-important Gentry Cards. I took in all the comments from part 1, tried many things, and have arrived here:

Cavendish Heir, Front and Backhttps://imgur.com/3WHA6JY

Considerations

1. Colored backgrounds just didn't work. Very garish.
2. I chose a parchment background that was less smudged and a bit richer.
3. Per Luke's recommendation, I aligned the requirements (left side) and favors (right side) with the tiles.
4. Balanced the size/position of the male/female portraits.
5. Dumped pixelated photos (two new ones are shown below). All photos will be audited and upgraded as needed. Warning: Dang, but there were a lot of good-looking people a century and a half ago!
6. Selected two thematic crowns for sorting the two types of Casual guest rather than color—the "Starter" guests receive an elaborate crown, while the run-of-the-mill common Casual guest receive a more tame crown.
7. Maintained one accent color—which is not essential for gameplay—and that is the red frame around negative favors (disfavors?).

Here is a group shot and some individual photos.

Group Shothttps://imgur.com/SGj9Un2
Family Earlhttps://imgur.com/W2DmKTd
Family Young Ladyhttps://imgur.com/8MT4raj
Family Heirhttps://imgur.com/SvSTsf5
Guest Earlhttps://imgur.com/IClXvs4
American Heiresshttps://imgur.com/gzWrpxP
Dowager Countess (new photo)—https://imgur.com/9RMKjYq
Lady Anne (new photo)—https://imgur.com/KgJz3uR
Lady Anne FIXEDhttps://imgur.com/QrcWg89


As I am very up against the clock, I would ask for your big impressions. If something just doesn't work for you, shout! (Note that I just returned, worked frantically, and there'll be some misspells and small alignment things...I will clean that up.)

Thanks!

Dan
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Looks great, stick a fork in it and send it to the printer!

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And Dan forgot to mention that he already knows that Lady Anne's card in the group photo has the service and favor icons switched. ;p
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lucky henry wrote:

Looks great, stick a fork in it and send it to the printer!



Aw, man, lucky henry! I wanted "first".

But good to have you at the party.
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mtsedwards wrote:
And Dan forgot to mention that he already knows that Lady Anne's card in the group photo has the service and favor icons switched. ;p

@#*$)$(*&)(#*$)(#$*)(*$

Changing that now. Arrrgh senility.
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The Reeve wrote:
mtsedwards wrote:
And Dan forgot to mention that he already knows that Lady Anne's card in the group photo has the service and favor icons switched. ;p

@#*$)$(*&)(#*$)(#$*)(*$

Changing that now. Arrrgh senility.


Got your back, Dan!
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lucky henry wrote:

Looks great, stick a fork in it and send it to the printer!


Thanks, Lucky! I am eager!
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lucky henry wrote:

Looks great, stick a fork in it and send it to the printer!



Agreed. +1 fork.
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I love these cards and I think they are wonderful. I think these really do look ready. I also adore how colorblind friendly they are, as all key information now has indicators besides the colors. I know someone was concerned about that in the last thread and I think you did an excellent job responding to that potential issue.

I only had two little critiques:

1 - Lady Anne's portrait feels very pixelated to me. Perhaps others can weigh in on whether they perceive it similarly.

2 - It would be nice if the text on the card back was a little thicker. I think it'd make the gold outline look nicer.
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Looks great, even the wife likes them
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Love love love, let's do this!
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Overall, I think these look pretty good. I still think something in the left corner to help players instantly distinguish between male or female cards would be useful for gameplay though.
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WBuchanan wrote:
Overall, I think these look pretty good. I still think something in the left corner to help players instantly distinguish between male or female cards would be useful for gameplay though.


@Bill, I tried a couple of icon formats to try and designate the gender in the upper left, and I couldn't get to a comfortable place with it. It cluttered. I had to move the sorting icon.

I will mention that (from extensive play experience) there is an interaction with the cards that is different that other card games. You find yourself during other player's turns testing "attendance" combos by laying them out in front of you constantly. The reason is that there are multiple variables you have to check. I don't think I could ever make a play knowing only the gender. I have to study the card to make sure I have the servant, the necessary reputation, and that the favors total properly for what I am trying to accomplish.

Take a look at 2:18 and 9:00 minute marks on this instructional video (https://www.boardgamegeek.com/video/153814/obsession/obsessi...) to see a typical way of interacting with the cards—VERY hands on! Given this sort of interaction with cards, I don't think you'll miss that gender designation.

@MM: How is this for less pixelated and thicker writing? https://imgur.com/boz06WD
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The Reeve wrote:
WBuchanan wrote:
Overall, I think these look pretty good. I still think something in the left corner to help players instantly distinguish between male or female cards would be useful for gameplay though.


@Bill, I tried a couple of icon formats to try and designate the gender in the upper left, and I couldn't get to a comfortable place with it. It cluttered. I had to move the sorting icon.

I will mention that (from extensive play experience) there is an interaction with the cards that is different that other card games. You find yourself during other player's turns testing "attendance" combos by laying them out in front of you constantly. The reason is that there are multiple variables you have to check. I don't think I could ever make a play knowing only the gender. I have to study the card to make sure I have the servant, the necessary reputation, and that the favors total properly for what I am trying to accomplish.

Take a look at 2:18 and 9:00 minute marks on this instructional video (https://www.boardgamegeek.com/video/153814/obsession/obsessi...) to see a typical way of interacting with the cards—VERY hands on! Given this sort of interaction with cards, I don't think you'll miss that gender designation.

@MM: How is this for less pixelated and thicker writing? https://imgur.com/boz06WD


I will trust your judgement. I certainly wasn't suggesting you'd make a play knowing only gender, only that it'd be useful for sorting your cards in your hand, as when I hold cards I usually hold them in such a way that you only see the top left corner.
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WBuchanan wrote:
The Reeve wrote:
WBuchanan wrote:
Overall, I think these look pretty good. I still think something in the left corner to help players instantly distinguish between male or female cards would be useful for gameplay though.


@Bill, I tried a couple of icon formats to try and designate the gender in the upper left, and I couldn't get to a comfortable place with it. It cluttered. I had to move the sorting icon.

I will mention that (from extensive play experience) there is an interaction with the cards that is different that other card games. You find yourself during other player's turns testing "attendance" combos by laying them out in front of you constantly. The reason is that there are multiple variables you have to check. I don't think I could ever make a play knowing only the gender. I have to study the card to make sure I have the servant, the necessary reputation, and that the favors total properly for what I am trying to accomplish.

Take a look at 2:18 and 9:00 minute marks on this instructional video (https://www.boardgamegeek.com/video/153814/obsession/obsessi...) to see a typical way of interacting with the cards—VERY hands on! Given this sort of interaction with cards, I don't think you'll miss that gender designation.

@MM: How is this for less pixelated and thicker writing? https://imgur.com/boz06WD


I will trust your judgement. I certainly wasn't suggesting you'd make a play knowing only gender, only that it'd be useful for sorting your cards in your hand, as when I hold cards I usually hold them in such a way that you only see the top left corner.


Got it.

I tended to sort by family—who I now are "free" guests (with no reputation or service limitation)—and prestige (who are jackpot guests). You can do that with what you see in the upper left hand corner: https://imgur.com/IC4XZz7

(Note: It makes no sense to have family members from two different families in one hand...just a demo with what I had handy!)
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Just reviewed the cards, and my thought is.... Yes! Success! I think it's time to close the book on the general design issues for the cards and to turn toward implementing what you have.

Good job!
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The new Lady Anne portrait is nicer! As for the text on the back... yes, I suppose that's an improvement although I actually had to check the original card to notice the difference. Really, it's such a minor detail that I don't think there's any reason to bother with it further. Go forth and show these lovely cards to the world of kickstarter!
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All:

The Kickstarter page is starting to get the card art. I tweaked new art layout, as well; gave some up close shots of tile art.

Here is the 1st card post, the Ponsonby family: https://imgur.com/IKSPVvm

I discarded two photos that were washed out/pixelated. I had a surprise as for the 1st time I was confronted with reducing some lengthy text favors to iconography. Look at Lady Ponsonby and let me know if you think that iconography is intuitive. It's not fixed, and if folks find it confusing, I'd like to know.

Thanks.

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Look at Lady Ponsonby and let me know if you think that iconography is intuitive.

I was able to deduce from the iconography what the choices were between, but I was familiar with those choices before. Are there plans to include some sort of player aid card with explanations of the iconography?
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manduke wrote:
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Look at Lady Ponsonby and let me know if you think that iconography is intuitive.

I was able to deduce from the iconography what the choices were between, but I was familiar with those choices before. Are there plans to include some sort of player aid card with explanations of the iconography?


Absolutely.

Since I am typing, here is family Wessex about to go up under the Wessex expansion on KS. Had to get three new photos because you all are so hard on my pixel people!

https://imgur.com/7EShWrz
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Awesome! With a player aid, I think the iconography will be great. Seems clear and concise to me!
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Oh, my goodness! The Wessex family are all so very good looking! And the iconography is stunning! Even a newbie gamer like me finds them clear and intuitive! Dan, my good sire, you have outdone yourself. Maybe you ought to go out of town more often if this is the genius-level productivity you get when you come home. LOL!
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The Unsavory Guests are up on Kickstarter: https://imgur.com/Rfr9Noi

Including a close-up of the Heiress: https://imgur.com/gqusReP

Done for the day! Off to celebrate my youngest son's 18th birthday.

Dan
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Looks great! Have fun celebrating with your son. Beware those American Heirs though!
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Hi Dan - hope that 'favour' will be spelt the English (rather than American) way?
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