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This thread is something I have planned to do for quite some time.

It is necessary to amend the rules of the MetaList for GeekList AUCTIONS. Due to the ongoing subscription notifications, I am reluctant to make modifications. Instead, I am going to maintain the official rules here and link the following posts in the header. The main header will probably have some tl;dr rules with instruction to come here for the full rules.

In addition, this will now also be the home for any and all discussion in regards to the MetaList. If there are any questions about the MetaList in general, application of rules, reporting of rules violations, suggested updates, it should be posted here. Any comments for specific auctions can be directed under those entries, though I hope those remain at a minimum.

The following posts are the current rules broken down by category. Updates will be a work in progress over the next few weeks. Once I feel they are ready enough to go live, I'll make a final edit to the header linking here and clean up the header. In the meantime, feel free to make any rule modification suggestions.

Probably the most needed update is the Auction Aggregator link and what, if anything, should replace it here.

MetaList for GeekList AUCTIONS
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This MetaList is a current collection of Active GeekList Auctions. By posting your auction here, all subscribers will be notified of your sales.

BGG is a great avenue for finding the board games that you want. Most players take care of their games allowing for decent re-sale value. However, BGG in its current state is not an ideal place to host an auction. The community has developed a work around to make this feasible for as many people as possible. Because of the limitations, certain guidelines are needed. Please follow the rules below for all roles that are applicable to you.

*** IMPORTANT INSTRUCTIONS ***


Sellers:

After you have created your GeekList Auction, please post a single GeekList item linked directly to your auction GeekList. At the bottom of this header do the following: "Add Item > GeekList > enter GeekListID #" (The GeekList ID # can be found as the series of numbers in the URL of your auction.)

Please include the following:
* End date (in bold or highlighted text)
* Any or all Items listed in the auction (you may use the GeekList ImageID to highlight an item)
* Indicate in your own GeekList that BGG is to get their 3% commission and that your list is NOT set to private (other wise it will appear as not existing to us)
* Any other relevant information or special exceptions to your auction, such as...
** Shipping restrictions
(US Only? Local Pick-up available?),
** Payment options (Buy-it-Now prices? PayPal only?)
** Trades considered, etc.

Please modify the content of your GeekList Item ONLY ONCE (preferably within 24 hours remaining in your auction). This will notify all people that are subscribed to this MetaList.

For additional information, corrections, or reminders of end times, please only post as a NEW COMMENT to your GeekList Item.

Be advised that if you break this rule, you will most likely receive GeekMail(s) reminding you of this guideline. Multiple infractions will result in your GeekList Item being deleted from the MetaList.

Once the auction has been completed for a few days, please delete your GeekList Item on this MetaList so this MetaList can remain free of old content (do NOT edit it to mark it "CLOSED").


Editing the title of YOUR GeekList to show it is closed is the best way to notify the community your Auction is closed. You should not delete your GeekList until all items have been received by bidders and any issues resolved.

If you plan on doing a follow-up auction of unsold items, you may either post a new entry (preferred) or modify the original (indicating it is a new auction in the posting). Periodically, the list will be scrubbed of auctions that have been closed for several days.

It is requested (but not required) that you link this MetaList in the comment section of your auction. This will help advertise this MetaList to the benefit of future sellers just as those that came before have helped you! This is GeekListID# 66420.

If any thing is unclear or you have a question, please contact me via GeekMail prior to posting your Auction here.
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Potential Bidders:

If you would like to be notified of new auctions, please subscribe to this MetaList.

* If you do not want to be notified of comments, you will need to modify the subscription by clicking the down arrow to the right of "Unsubscribe" in the header, then clicking on "Edit Subscription", then selecting "No" as a drop down under "Comment"; or try this link: https://boardgamegeek.com/subscription/edit/feed/geeklist/66....
** This is strongly recommended if you do not want the "noise" generated by user comments.

* Please also click the above link or "Edit Subscription" below to ensure that your personal default for "GeekList Item" does not resolve to "No" despite having subscribed. Otherwise you may not be notified of new auctions.

* If you would like to be notified of new information of a specific auction, please also subscribe to that specific GeekList Item. This will override the general subscription setting of the MetaList. Any comment to that item will notify of the new content.

* User jdludlow" built a tool that consolidates all of the auctioned games that can be found on this MetaList. You can search for your own username, and then you'll only see those auctions for games on your wishlist. Save the RSS feed into your news reader if you're so inclined.
** Auction Aggregator

* For discussion relevant to the general auction process, please comment at the bottom of this MetaList only or Geeklist Auction Discussion Thread. For discussion relevant to a specific auction, please comment under that specific GeekList Item as well.
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Miscellaneous Instructions:

* Please only add a GeekList Item if it is your auction. Sellers should have control of their own info. Instead, invite them to this thread to advertise.

* The rules included here are meant as a guideline for posting to this MetaList. For further guidelines on creating auctions, please see the wiki: https://www.boardgamegeek.com/wiki/page/GeekList_auction

* Feel free to comment under any items but realize that each comment will trigger all those subscribed to that item. Please keep it on point. It would be better to post any questions to the auction itself so anyone monitoring just that auction sees the discussion.

* If you want to comment on something posted under an auction that is not relevant to most subscribers (including rule infractions or discussing the infraction), consider sending a polite and private GeekMail instead in order to avoid triggering a subscription notification.

* As manager of this list, I reserve the right to make adjustments to the MetaList when deemed necessary. By posting on this MetaList, you are accepting these terms & conditions.
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Posting Template:

1. All games will be listed with a minimum starting bid and most will have a soft reserve. My definition of soft reserve is that this is the minimum dollar figure that I can guarantee a sale. If the ending bid is below this figure, I may still sell it, but that will be a "game time decision".
(comment: Starting bid is a must. Soft reserve is an option used often, but also often disliked. Consider also providing Buy-It-Now (BIN) price)

2. All bids must be in whole dollars.
(comment: the most common options, feel free to change it to whatever you want)

3. Shipping is from [ YOUR LOCATION ] and will be paid by the winner, and I will ship via whatever method you request. If we (meaning me and the buyer) use USPS I will require Delivery Confirmation on the package. This is to protect both you and I so we can guarantee both that the games have been sent, and that you received them. Local pick up is fine with me.
(comment: try to provide you zip code, it helps estimating the price of shipping. State clearly if you're gonna charge extra for handling/packaging. Local pickup is a cool option to include)

4. I will combine shipping if you win multiple items.
(comment: shipping costs are large these days, so try to be flexible and help lower them)

5. International bidders are welcome to join, just remember that you will be paying the shipping.
(comment: if not, simply state Europe/US/Canada only)

6. All transactions will be done via Paypal and through the BGG marketplace so BGG will get its 3% commission. If you are doing local pickup, I can accept cash.
(comment: other options are checks/bank transfers/money orders. All auctions must state that sales will go through the Marketplace in the header.)

7. This particular auction will run until sometime in the evening of [ DATE AND TIME ]. I have a set end time for the listings, but I want to discourage sniping.
(comment: some people give a specific date/time other opt for undisclosed time to prevent snipping; in addition, it is good to highlight the end date so it is clearly visible)

8. Special Rules

9. Listing of Items:
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I would like to see some restrictions for re-posting the same auction to the Metalist. This has become more prevalent over the past year. Some users are exploiting this and circumventing the rules against multiple edits.
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ct5150 wrote:
I would like to see some restrictions for re-posting the same auction to the Metalist. This has become more prevalent over the past year. Some users are exploiting this and circumventing the rules against multiple edits.
Do let me know when this happens. I know you mentioned this in the past but I haven't seen it happen very often so I am not sure if I am just overlooking it or they delete before I check subscriptions or if it is legit.

Some people choose to reuse their same GeekList over for a brand new auction (which is within the rules).

The only case I recall of reposting is when they originally submitted under a Boardgame and we told them to change it to a GeekList so that the Aggregator picked it up properly.
 
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So the Aggregator parsed the MetaList for all the auction geeklists. Then parsed each Auction geeklist for items and then notified people if something they wanted was listed, right?

I seem to recall this.

I have a processing engine already for Geeklists and might be able to do something like this again if it's needed.
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klkitchens wrote:
So the Aggregator parsed the MetaList for all the auction geeklists. Then parsed each Auction geeklist for items and then notified people if something they wanted was listed, right?

I seem to recall this.

I have a processing engine already for Geeklists and might be able to do something like this again if it's needed.
Basically yes. Though we weren't notified but could go to a page, enter our username, and get a list back of items that matched our wishlist with links to the appropriate auctions.

There are other alternatives but I haven't been satisfied with any of them enough to make it the "official" one. And by official, I mean making sure we do things a certain way to help feed into it. I have no issue linking all of them in the rules above. But if there are conflicting means of implementation, priority will need to be given to certain ones.

If you have something, feel free to show everyone and we can go from there.
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Since the Auction Aggregator is no more, should we remind people to post the link to the auction instead of a specific game?

I used to try and catch the ones that linked a game and not the geeklist to let them know the Auction Aggregator needed the link but if that's not being used anymore..

Just curious
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belial1134 wrote:
Since the Auction Aggregator is no more, should we remind people to post the link to the auction instead of a specific game?

I used to try and catch the ones that linked a game and not the geeklist to let them know the Auction Aggregator needed the link but if that's not being used anymore..

Just curious
I haven't reminded them if they didn't buy I assume the others would feed off the list and not the games. But that is part of figuring out which to use and what they need.
 
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Most auctioneers have their act together, but many do not and there are few protections in place for the buyers.

1) If you are going to host an auction, I feel that you should be prepared with the correct amount of packaging material to be able to box and ship items within a timely manner. Some auctioneers have charged for packaging material and boxes. Some have claimed delays because they didn't have the right size boxes on hand for the games they are selling. Most simply use Flat Rate boxes which runs several dollars higher in shipping than self-packaging simply because it is easier on them but increases the buyer's shipping costs. Be prepared if you are going to hold an auction - period! If you are not, then don't hold an auction until you are ready.

2) There should be a requirement for shipping in a timely manner, I would say within 72 hrs of the end of the auction, and that the seller is required to post that the item has "shipped" in the BGG Marketplace. Some auctioneers do not ship right away because of previously known obligations at home or work or they are "out of town," but yet they still hold an auction knowing they cannot ship on-time. If you have other obligations, then wait to hold an auction until you have the time frame to fulfil your auction obligations.

3) More and more auctioneers are selling auction items from underneath bidders, claiming a recent trade or sold outside of the auction. This is a bad practice. I suggest that there should be a firm rule against pulling an item once a bid has been placed. If not, then any auctioneer that claims the right to pull an auction item gives the right for bidders in that auction to withdraw their bid on any items. Two can play that game.

4) Length of auctions. Some auctions go for 24 hours, some last for weeks, and at least one is never-ending. There is no regulation. I feel that there should be a time limit for auctions; a maximum of 10 days is plenty enough.

As I said, most auctioneers have their act together. They do not pull items from underneath bidders; they make an effort to use the least expensive shipping method (some even post game weights and dimensions); they hold auctions for an appropriate length of time/not too long; and they ship in a timely manner.
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Most auctioneers have their act together, but many do not and there are few protections in place for the buyers.

1) If you are going to host an auction, I feel that you should be prepared with the correct amount of packaging material to be able to box and ship items within a timely manner. Some auctioneers have charged for packaging material and boxes. Some have claimed delays because they didn't have the right size boxes on hand for the games they are selling. Most simply use Flat Rate boxes which runs several dollars higher in shipping than self-packaging simply because it is easier on them but increases the buyer's shipping costs. Be prepared if you are going to hold an auction - period! If you are not, then don't hold an auction until you are ready.

2) There should be a requirement for shipping in a timely manner, I would say within 72 hrs of the end of the auction, and that the seller is required to post that the item has "shipped" in the BGG Marketplace. Some auctioneers do not ship right away because of previously known obligations at home or work or they are "out of town," but yet they still hold an auction knowing they cannot ship on-time. If you have other obligations, then wait to hold an auction until you have the time frame to fulfil your auction obligations.

3) More and more auctioneers are selling auction items from underneath bidders, claiming a recent trade or sold outside of the auction. This is a bad practice. I suggest that there should be a firm rule against pulling an item once a bid has been placed. If not, then any auctioneer that claims the right to pull an auction item gives the right for bidders in that auction to withdraw their bid on any items. Two can play that game.

4) Length of auctions. Some auctions go for 24 hours, some last for weeks, and at least one is never-ending. There is no regulation. I feel that there should be a time limit for auctions; a maximum of 10 days is plenty enough.

As I said, most auctioneers have their act together. They do not pull items from underneath bidders; they make an effort to use the least expensive shipping method (some even post game weights and dimensions); they hold auctions for an appropriate length of time/not too long; and they ship in a timely manner.

Less government is always better, in this case, less regulations.

Each auctioneer should post their own rules and requirements and that should be good enough for each bidder to make their own determination when to bid.

As someone who always ships in a timely manner myself I am lenient to others who clearly indicate up front there will be a delay. If that affects my bidding, then so be it.

72 hours may be too long for some and too short for others (buyers that is). One person's opinion should not dictate to everyone.

If they say it's flat rate only, then the seller understands it's flat rate only. Don't bid if you don't want to pay.

The seller is under no obligation to "pass along" exact shipping costs. They should charge what they need to cover themselves for shipping and handling. The buyer is paying the seller, not the shipping service. The seller pays the shipping service. Has to provide tape, gas to the drop off, etc. If they need to buy a box because someone bought multiple items and they are combining shipping, that's a real cost to them.

If a RESERVE IS NOT MET, they have the right to sell or trade the item outside the auction. Clearly. If the reserve is met, then it's guaranteed to sell at that price and a contract has been established. Pulling then is dishonorable breaking of that contract.

If no reserve or opening bid is stated, it's a tough call, unless they clearly say "NO RESERVE", then after a bid is logged, it should be considered "sold".

The obvious exception here would be outside sales or bundles where the price was in fact higher, but it's just a trust system that the seller is doing the right thing. And hopefully they'd be transparent.

But no, we don't need any sort of additional rules added.

And BTW, ongoing auctions are not allowed and Admin will nix them.
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...And BTW, almost all ongoing auctions are not allowed and Admin will nix them.

FTFY!
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feldfan2014 wrote:
klkitchens wrote:
...And BTW, almost all ongoing auctions are not allowed and Admin will nix them.

FTFY!

Not really, seems we're both right. That one is ongoing in a sense, but each edition has a clear start and end date so it's not ongoing.

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I was going to chime in but Kevin beat me to almost every point.
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Agreed, it would be near impossible for us to enforce most of those rules. A lot of them should be covered under the marketplace rules were an Admin can oversee them.

Personally, I wish all auctions were exactly one week. From my experience observing these the last several years, that seems to be the sweet spot. Going longer of course exposes it to more people but it doesn't seem the prices go up much waiting that long - especially the month long ones. People are too impatient to wait that long but more so why make a commitment to a game when another auction might come along and be done before that one. I stopped bidding on the long ones because then I am in a position of having multiple bids on the same item, but some so far out I didn't know what was going to happen.

I will agree with Etien that there seems to be a growing trend of posting items for auction and then taking them down because other arrangements were made. But again, I don't know how we can enforce that except if certain people do it too often, others may just avoid them. I don't like it and it may harm the overall thing we are trying to accomplish here.
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ColtsFan76 wrote:

I will agree with Etien that there seems to be a growing trend of posting items for auction and then taking them down because other arrangements were made. But again, I don't know how we can enforce that except if certain people do it too often, others may just avoid them. I don't like it and it may harm the overall thing we are trying to accomplish here.

If as user states this may happen and no BIN has happened on the item I honestly have no problem with that. I am more than willing to take it on faith that the deal they got was better. If I wanted it that bad.. I should have bin'd it.
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Down to 20 entries! The smallest the list has been in years. This is the time it is usually at its smallest - as Christmas auctions wrap up but before the new year ones take off. But the past few years we've stayed at 2 pages during this time.
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ColtsFan76 wrote:

Personally, I wish all auctions were exactly one week. From my experience observing these the last several years, that seems to be the sweet spot.

I generally think that is true. Aside from timing around particular events, I like starting on a Friday or a Thursday and then concluding it on the second Monday thereafter - it's still not much more than a week and gives two weekends for bidders to review.

Anything longer I think is counter-productive - people don't want to bid early because it's so far away, and then by the time it comes to a close they've forgotten about it and don't come back.

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I will agree with Etien that there seems to be a growing trend of posting items for auction and then taking them down because other arrangements were made. But again, I don't know how we can enforce that except if certain people do it too often, others may just avoid them. I don't like it and it may harm the overall thing we are trying to accomplish here.

I tend to agree. Sometimes it's either unavoidable (discovering an issue with the game, a spouse or child sees it and goes nuts that the game is for sale) or can be a sensible change (once mid-auction I became a Chosen One and a few items in the auction were on the wantlist and had no existing bids so I put them in there and retracted from the auction) but I tend to agree that if there are any qualifying bids on an item shortly it not actually being available it should not be removed.

That said, as you note it's impossible to enforce. Auctioneers can just delete items at will from the geeklist, and unless people remember it being there there's no real way to connect them.

Like with a lot of things, it's a good "guideline" but not an effective "rule".
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Rococo_Zephyr wrote:
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Has anyone created a new Aggregator website, since the old one is doa?

http://bgg.activityclub.org/auctions/

Has it stopped working (well) for anyone else over the last week? I started noticing that some items were missing and now no matter what I do I can only get the same three auctions to appear even though I know there are more out there. Partially because some of them showed up on the aggregator a few days ago with items on my wishlist and now they're gone.

This is the reason I have not promoted it on the MetaList. I can't seem to get it to work properly either. It pulls things that aren't even on my wishlist, and even things I have marked as owned already. It also seems to be lacking several items I know exist out there.

But this problem has persisted for me for a very long time, not just recently.

So I don't know if I am doing something wrong, if auctions need to be tailored a different way or what. But t just doesn't seem to work and I don't want to advertise for it until it does.
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Maybe a dumb question, but when was the last time you re-synced your data? I was having trouble with it until I got it to re-sync today; now it seems to work fine (other than that people don't necessarily mark auctions as closed - I have notifications of items I've already won)
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choldaway wrote:
Maybe a dumb question, but when was the last time you re-synced your data? I was having trouble with it until I got it to re-sync today; now it seems to work fine (other than that people don't necessarily mark auctions as closed - I have notifications of items I've already won)
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ColtsFan76 wrote:
choldaway wrote:
Maybe a dumb question, but when was the last time you re-synced your data? I was having trouble with it until I got it to re-sync today; now it seems to work fine (other than that people don't necessarily mark auctions as closed - I have notifications of items I've already won)
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Why not send JeffyJeff a GM and maybe he can fix whatever it is that's holding you up? It works fine for everybody else.

I sure wish the other aggregator was still working, but hey, this one does what it needs to do.
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Clearing out board games auction ends 4/25/2108

https://www.boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/240281/clearing-out-b...

Ends on 4/25/2018

Some items on list.
Gloomhaven
Nations
Teenage mutant ninja Turtles - Shadows of the past.
Mice and mystics
Pandemic with expansions and broken token box.
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