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I don't think we have one of these yet.

I have a lot of thoughts, but I'll start by commenting that I like the first and the last sequences in the movie. The middle... Not so much.

Part of me wants to write a fix fic for Episodes VII and IIX.
 
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I don't think we have one of these yet.

I have a lot of thoughts, but I'll start by commenting that I like the first and the last sequences in the movie. The middle... Not so much.

Part of me wants to write a fix fic for Episodes VII and IIX.


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the only thing I was really bothered by was Leia going all sandra bullock on us.
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This thread has been going since last week.
 
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I'd recommend adding spoilers for the first few posts, just to ensure that no one that autosubscribes to the VS accidentally gets spoiled when the thread loads. That's how I got spoiled a bit on the last one.

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My favorite part was probably all of the Ray/Kilo connectedness stuff.
And I thought his choices were wayyyy more believable this movie than the last.

I do think they dropped the line a bit with the "Leia death" because I feel like he would have felt it and not just continued to fire on the ships and bomb them if he'd known she was still alive, just given his reluctance to shoot her earlier in the movie.

I kinda don't believe Rey's parents origin story maybe? idk.

Finn and Rose was super frustrating. It better be Finn and Poe after everything wraps up. AND HE LOST THE JACKET.

I teared up like four times during the movie and flat out cried when I thought Leia died. I have no clue how they're going to deal with that next movie.

Luke dying that way seemed weird to me, but I LOVED the scene where Yoda set the tree on fire. That was probably my favorite scene in the entire movie. I thought they did a great job sprinkling in the comedy bits.

Hux is still the worst.
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Oh. And Benicio was the best. Super believable, though the twitching bothered me a bit and felt out of place.
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I thought it was better than the Force Awakens but not as good as Rogue One. I think Rogue One is actually my favorite Star Wars movie that's come out so far.
 
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I'd recommend adding spoilers for the first few posts, just to ensure that no one that autosubscribes to the VS accidentally gets spoiled when the thread loads. That's how I got spoiled a bit on the last one.


So now everyone knows that leia takes in finn and he is gonna be a star football player. Sometimes when you load that new thread you get blind sided by spoilers.
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I'd recommend adding spoilers for the first few posts, just to ensure that no one that autosubscribes to the VS accidentally gets spoiled when the thread loads. That's how I got spoiled a bit on the last one.


So now everyone knows that leia takes in finn and he is gonna be a star football player. Sometimes when you load that new thread you get blind sided by spoilers.


Sorry if that came off as critical about that post. It was totally crossposted. Last year, like the second post of the spoilered thread was "OMG, Han Solo died!", and I was just like "Great. I never saw the trailers and meticulously avoided spoilers and Facebook for several days only to be screwed over by being subscribed to the VS."

But I totally agree with that. It was the perfect moment for her to die. I was bawling. And then she just survived, and I was like "What."
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But seriously, he lost the jacket.
 
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Nothing outside the Village square counts.


Hey! And the Werewolf forum. And a few guilds and geeklists, but yes.
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Thanks for another reminder that I really need to see this movie soon! I may have seen one spoiler already because I caught a few moments of 2 or 3 a day or two ago... I wanted to Google something on Luke's uncle... Well, I won't be Googling SW stuff anymore until I see the movie.

Can someone inbox me this answer, please... Is it necessary to watch Rogue One before The Last Jedi?

Luckily tiny screen will aid me to not to read anything I shouldn't while I post this and not return until knowing more stuff
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Thanks for another reminder that I really need to see this movie soon! I may have seen one spoiler already because I caught a few moments of 2 or 3 a day or two ago... I wanted to Google something on Luke's uncle... Well, I won't be Googling SW stuff anymore until I see the movie.

Can someone inbox me this answer, please... Is it necessary to watch Rogue One before The Last Jedi?

Luckily tiny screen will aid me to not to read anything I shouldn't while I post this and not return until knowing more stuff


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I'm in a limbo state of mind with respect to this movie. On one hand, there were some great scenes and in some respects I think there were too many of them. On the other hand, it was long and ultimately amateurish. Those two sentiments shouldn't go together, but there they are. Here then are some more random thoughts:

- The planet Hoth from which the rebels are trying to escape at the start of the film, after having been discovered by the Empire First Order will now be played by the planet D'Qar (thanks, Google).

- Poe vs. Dreadnought: good opening! I can overlook the cheesy humor to start. General Hux should have been force-choked to death eons ago. If you're not granting any quarter, then why pause your attack to chat with a fighter pilot?

- More deus ex machina: now the Empire First Order can track us through hyperspace! How can they do this? I don't know, but they can! In the meantime, let's not examine our ability to communicate from within hyperspace. That's fine.

- Rey and Luke at the original Jedi temple are amazing.

- Finn wants to run again not realizing that he's a resistance hero. I mean we never saw a medal scene for him after blowing up Starkiller Base -- that would have been too much like Episode 4, amirite? -- but he should realize that he's a pretty Big Deal after all. But he's a Big Deal Without A Medal.

- The whole Rose character was amateur hour in terms of writing. More on this later.

- How many times could they have offed Leia in this film? Good thing she subconsciously deployed a Force bubble and then willed herself back to the ship. Newsflash: she's descended from Chris Pratt/Peter Quill/Starlord, or better yet Kurt Russell/Ego. It could happen.

- Casino Royale planet: Love the nod to the Bond movie as they went looking for a codebreaker. Remember the name of the villain in Casino Royale? Le Chiffre -- The Cipher. Sadly, the rest of this location was ultimately forgettable with the exception of Broom Boy. More on this later.

- I'm also having a Game of Thrones S7E6 problem with the timing of Casino Royale Planet. Specifically, the time it takes to get from point A to B. You know what I'm talking about.

- Rey going down into the Dark Side blowhole: what was she expecting? I don't think of the Dark Side as being all that magnanimous; it wasn't going to show her what she wanted. What did you take away from the "hall of mirrors" scene ultimately ending in her own face? My take is that the Dark Side was showing her she was the author of her own fate, not her parents. That sort of self-absorption feels very Dark Side-ey to me. I can dig it.

- Rey and Kylo having their little tête-à-têtes: I liked it. I was half expecting their ability to have stemmed from their confrontation at the end of TFA (which would have been better). I also appreciated Rey realizing that Luke had cut himself off from the Force, as that answered the question as to how all of this was going on without him sensing it.

- Yoda is the O.G. Thor. Can call down the lightning even after he's dead. Impressive. Most impressive.

- Back to the Battlestar Galactica chase: when the transports are launched, the against-all-odds mission is betrayed, and somehow Benicio del Toro knows the plan about the transports? I missed that connection, which is just one reason why I need to see the movie again.

- Laura Dern just stands on the bridge of the Mon Calamari cruiser and watches the transports get picked off? You're there to pilot the damn thing. I guess she didn't want to cover their retreat for fear of exposing their presence, but after the Supremacy (the Supreme Leader's ship -- original) starts picking them off, maybe you want to put your ship in between them while you think about your next move?

- How many times could they have offed Leia in this film? Good thing the RNG gods decided every other transport would get shot first.

- Rey + Ben > Snoke. I'm okay with this outcome as well, but was it completely unexpected! A few problems with this entire storyline. The first is that Snoke himself was the first instance of deus ex machina back in TFA: somehow a new mega-badass Dark Side Jedi emerged, and we know nothing about him. Apparently Luke was aware of him while he was training Ben, and yet did nothing about it? It doesn't matter now, because he's dead! Still, I feel that was a major character that appeared and then just as quickly disappeared while doing his best Palpatine impersonation. What a waste.

- Thanks, Snoke, for paying the long distance Force tolls. I liked it better when I thought Rey and Kylo had bonded somehow.

- While I'm whingeing about Snoke's demise: the dude can feel Rey reaching for a lightsaber and then redirect it to hit her on the head (ha, ha), but he can't feel Ben twisting the one RIGHT NEXT TO HIS OWN ARM? The whole, "I can feel the Force!" bit makes me think of E-M waves, and aren't they stronger right next to you at this very moment? Guess not (slice).

- Kudos to the automatic DC (damage control) systems on the Supremacy. Your ship just got cut in half by a kamikaze hyperspacing object, and yet everyone important has time to escape. Now you can explode.

- It seems like Brienne of Tarth Captain Phasma is dead, but I hope not. More cheesy one liners than an Arnold Schwarzenegger movie.

- The planet Hoth from which the rebels are trying to escape at the end of the film, after having been discovered by the Empire First Order will now be played by the planet Crait. Now with fake snow!

- More porgs, please.

- I was okay with Finn dying to destroy the battering ram. I guess I'm fine with him still being alive? Although this burgeoning romance with Rose was unexpected. I preferred the tension between Finn and Rey, but I guess she's headed for a lifetime of celibate Jedi monkitude. Or a very lopsided love triangle with Rose due to amateur writing.

- Loved, loved, loved Luke vs. Gorilla-AT's, Luke vs. Kylo Ren, Luke vs. reality.

- Force on display! Leia can force-bubble herself back to safety from outer space, but she can't move rocks. Rey who has a few days of instruction from Luke can move an entire rockslide. Compare this to Luke spending weeks/months/who knows how long with Yoda to balance just three rocks on top of each other while doing a one-handed handstand. Kids learn everything so much faster these days.

- For you anime lovers out there: the role of Gon Freeks in Hunter x Hunter ep. 131 will now be played by Luke Skywalker. Loved seeing the twin suns of Tatooine and hearing "Luke's Theme" before he joined the blue ghostie squad.

- We're set up for new adventures, and hey GhostLuke! We hav ur books!

I'm thinking that Star Wars will become a new incarnation of the MCU: not Marvel characters per se (except for Ego -- he was Anakin's father, you heard it here first), but a framework for new, semi-connected story lines like Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, and Guardians that can then come together for an Infinity War. Anyone can be special. And if Rogue One is any indication, people will pay through the nose to see it.

Overall, I feel that this isn't really a trilogy. Episodes 7 and 8 were a two-part homage/end of the classic epic that I cherish so dearly. Keep in mind, I'm old enough to have seen the original movie in theaters as a child. It was magic. I want to see Skywalkers vs. the Dark Side go on forever. What I have been given is one remaining, fallen Skywalker who will become the Next Big Bad Snokaltine, and a galaxy of fresh story possibilities starting with Broom Boy.
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- Force on display! Leia can force-bubble herself back to safety from outer space, but she can't move rocks. Rey who has a few days of instruction from Luke can move an entire rockslide. This after Luke spent weeks/months/who knows how long with Yoda to balance three rocks on top of each other while doing a one-handed handstand. Kids learn everything so much faster these days.


This stuff didn't bother me. The Force bubble thing kind of did, but I think her ability with the Force was always more of an awareness/reactionary thing, almost like a reflex. She can't really choose to actively do stuff, but if she's legitimately dying, her innate Jedi mojo will save her if it can.

Two things about the Rey stuff:

1) Luke was learning precision and control. It's very different from what she did, like using a rocket launcher vs a pistol.

2) Even he admitted that she was more powerful than he was. She's basically a MegaJedi that is only maybe a Jedi?
 
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Oh, and Benicio overheard what was going on because Finn and Poe had space walkie talkies and were telling each other what was happening.

I'm holding out hope that they'll get together.
 
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1) Luke was learning precision and control. It's very different from what she did, like using a rocket launcher vs a pistol.

I'd say what she did was pretty controlling: moving them all away from the entrance and then just holding them there. Regardless, there was a sense of discipline to Luke's training with Yoda that was lacking in the three days Rey had, and Luke wasn't pressing her to grow as fast as possible.

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2) Even he admitted that she was more powerful than he was. She's basically a MegaJedi that is only maybe a Jedi?

I didn't pick up on that. Only once had he ever seen someone so innately powerful, and it didn't scare him then, yadda, yadda. I don't think he was including himself in that mix. I think he was talking about his experiences as a trainer, and he was referring to Ben Solo.
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You're completely wrong here. First off SW is set 'A long time ago in a galaxy far far away" or did you miss the first 10 seconds of every movies?

Also, the Collector in this movie is obviously much younger. He has white hair in the MCU movies.


Infinity stones = the force infused khyber crystals? maybe the last khyber crystals?
 
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You're completely wrong here. First off SW is set 'A long time ago in a galaxy far far away" or did you miss the first 10 seconds of every movies?

Also, the Collector in this movie is obviously much younger. He has white hair in the MCU movies.


Infinity stones = the force infused khyber crystals? maybe the last khyber crystals?

Because there aren’t any super powers, wormholes, or stones that allow travel through space or time. Sci-fi much?

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I liked it! (surprise)

Aside from wanting a book on Snoke now, and a book on the Knights of Ren (if they don't have anything to do w/ IX), one of the few things that did make me shake my head was after rose and finn crash, the walkers never shoot at them again. Despite being convenient targets sitting RIGHT there, plus however long it took them to walk back to the base...
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In essence, the movie was a postmodern deconstruction of Star Wars. Now, don't get me wrong, I love a good deconstruction, but I don't think this one was particularly effective. There are a lot of questions worth investigating in the Star Wars universe- are the Jedi really that great? Is the Republic really that different from the first order? Why is the Skywalker family in particular so important?- and to a certain extent, the movie dealt with all of them. But it raised too many of them too quickly to deal with them in any depth. In addition, when it did raise them it was often inconsistent. For example, after we learned that both the Republic and the First Order get their weapons from the same sources, we get a battle on a planet where both sides leave trails of what appears to be blood in their wake. It's a striking bit of visual symbolism, especially when Luke walks out and doesn't leave a trail of bloody footprints. But we've spent the entire movie questioning the motivation of Luke and the Jedi, so what are we supposed to make of this new symbolism? It's inconsistent, and it deconstructs without leaving us anything.

The movie also does a lot democratizing of the Star Wars mythos. The final shot of tbe movie calls back to the final shot of Empire Strikes Back, but in Empire it was Luke and Leia who were looking out at the sky. Here the shot implys the orphan slave is now the most important character of the movie. By itself, this is fine- like I said, I loved the final scenes- but it takes a darker turn when one considers that it's this same theme being played out in Rey's unexpected power levels. The movie seems to have a contempt for old things and want to bring in new ones- Rey doesn't need the hours of training by old masters to harness the force, and Snoke is defeated by his own apprentice. Luke's fear of Kylo's great power can also be interpreted in this light- the old ways are wrong, amd we need new ones. Yet even this is inconsistent. In the last scenes we see that Rey salvaged the books before Luke could burn them, so does she need the wisdom of the old masters or not?

Deconstructing Star Wars has the inherrent danger that Star Wars has always drawn heavily from old myths, and if you break those tropes too much, it ceases to feel like Star Wars. We know that it's possible to raise these deconstructive questions in a way that feels like Star Wars, because the old EU did it, and generally did it well. I don't think this movie did it well.

Ultimately, I think this had the potential to be one of the best Star Wars movies, but it needed a clarity of vision and purpose that this movie lacked. I will be highly interested in any extended or director's cut that's released, because I suspect executive meddling at certain points. When the movie's good, it's quite good, but its overall themes and ideas are jumbled.

Kylo and Poe were my favorite characters here. Also, the space battles were excellent. I'd say it's better than episodes I and II but worse than the rest.
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I need to make time to see it again. The first time I was just absorbing and enjoying new canon. I can analyze more w/ a second viewing.

That said, I've always fallen in the camp of just loving the magic of SW. And most movies in general. I like being entertained, which is why I'd make a horrible critic
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