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Looked for a thread and didn't see one. This situation pisses me off more than most since it is so close to home. There has been talk of just how fundamentally horrid MSU handled this and many, self included, had been waiting for the details. Looks like instead of a (paid) absence, MSU allowed him to continue to work for 16 months.

MSU let Larry Nassar see patients for 16 months during criminal sex assault investigation

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USA Gymnastics struck deal with McKayla Maroney to keep Larry Nassar abuse quiet, lawyer says
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At some point, we as a society need to have a thorough conversation about NDA's, and hush money, and the idea of the suppression of public speech being weaponized by moneyed interests who are well aware that the worst thing in the world would be for their crimes to be publicized.

Public Relations has always been a thing, but in the modern world where an online news story can be the difference between resolution & stonewalling, average citizens are ill-equipped to face (and ill-informed about) various moneyed juggernauts of power who will literally do anything in the short-term to keep their long-con going.

How many NDA's were signed over the last 50 years that, if broadcasted, would have saved countless women from being sexually exploited? And before you say: "But mayor, these girls signed them didn't they?!?" That's the equivalent of a cop threatening you in a locked room that they will plant evidence, increase false charges, and uniformly act against any hope you have in court unless you sign the piece of paper they put in front of you. These lawyers know damn well that a rape/assault victim isn't going to want to have his/her name plastered across the local tabloid pages as they sit in court recounting emotionally painful episodes of their lives that they would rather forget.

And therein lies the depths of the scumbaggery: Unless you keep silent about us, then we will make it our mission to drag your name, and your reputation, and your emotional scars through every district court, federal court, and appeals court we can fund. And they can fund a lot!
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I think as soon as you hit a court, everything should be published. You want secrecy? Then stay out of a taxpayer supported court. We paid for the court, we have a right to see the results.
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If you want your heart ripped out, follow Dan Murphy on Twitter as he is following the court cast which started today. So much anger.

https://twitter.com/DanMurphyESPN
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Tall_Walt wrote:
I think as soon as you hit a court, everything should be published. You want secrecy? Then stay out of a taxpayer supported court. We paid for the court, we have a right to see the results.

Well, that's the whole point of settlements. They are in lieu of risking a lawsuit which might end up in open court.
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Women keep coming up to speak to where the number is getting close to 200. He gave the girls gifts. He manipulated the parents. At least one girl attempted suicide. Many sought therapy not knowing why they needed it. The victims have been so hell bent one said she wants to go into sports medicine just to replace him and make sure others aren't treated the same. Another, who is 15, researched the judge's history just so she could say she wants to make sure the sentence is long. And this piece of excrement laughs at the idea of the NCAA coming after MSU.

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NCAA sent them a letter letting MSU know they are investigating. Funny how that works.
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He was just sentenced to up to 175 years in prison.
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He was just sentenced to up to 175 years in prison.


Realistically its 40 as that's what his plea bargain was for. This is why when his rather unsympathetic letter at the end was being read the judge asked him if he wanted the plea bargain revoked and he said "No," and her response was, "Because you know you are guilty." Why the plea bargain? It saved on the 100+ cases being tried at once so he pleaded guilty for a fraction of the cases even though any victim got their say. If he got more than 40 years, he could appeal, which nobody really wants.

Also note he's got a 60 year sentence for the federal aspect so he's not up for parole until 2117.

There's a number of organizations who are going to be up next for finding out exactly how this happened. Even the judge admitted to being dumbfounded by how this went on for so long. She did say she was happy to be the one to give him his "death sentence."

She was not playing.

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The guy will never serve more than 10 years in prison...the other gentlemen will remember their own abusive childhoods and relieve their angst by smashing Nassar's face repeatedly against a cement floor. Hopefully, CO's will take their own sweet time calling for the medic.

Couldn't happen to a nicer guy...
 
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USA Gymnastics should be disbanded. And MSU needs a through housecleaning along with penalties. Yeah, hit the revenue sports. Make them learn it is all one athletic department.
 
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Anyone with knowledge of the legal system know how theatrics by a judge play out? If I wanted to make sure someone went away for a long time I would be robotically by-the-book.
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Anyone with knowledge of the legal system know how theatrics by a judge play out? If I wanted to make sure someone went away for a long time I would be robotically by-the-book.


Note that I'm not a lawyer and this isn't legal advice, so this and $1.50 will get you a coffee.

They might be able to appeal the sentence, but I doubt it would succeed. Unless they can attack the legitimacy of the sentence on some legal grounds, there's no bar on a judge saying things like she said. She very easily could have rejected the plea bargain given the letter that he sent that basically said "I'm really not guilty."

I doubt that there's an appeal, though. When 160+ people either show up or write letters to describe the abuse, you're going to get crushed at trial. A smart lawyer would tell him "This best you would do is end up with the same sentence. It could very easily get worse."

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The guy will never serve more than 10 years in prison...the other gentlemen will remember their own abusive childhoods and relieve their angst by smashing Nassar's face repeatedly against a cement floor. Hopefully, CO's will take their own sweet time calling for the medic.

Couldn't happen to a nicer guy...


I hope not. I want him to serve a long and miserable life in prison.
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He's not going survive prison.

I heard this driving home today and it made me see red.

https://deadspin.com/judge-reads-batshit-victim-blaming-lett...

a letter that Nassar wrote two months after agreeing to plea guilty to 10 counts of first-degree criminal sexual conduct. In his letter, Nassar came off as defiant and wrote as if he was still somehow innocent, which prompted Aquilina to read it to prove that Nassar had not yet reckoned with what he’d done.

Here are the excerpts she read:

Let me begin: The federal judge went ballistic at sentencing...and spent 10% on the federal case and 90% on state cases...she gave me 60 years instead of 5-20 years. The prosecutor even admitted that I never belonged to any porn sites...was not on the dark web, and also, they could not prove I viewed it. It was all deleted of course. I shared my electronics, and of course, couldn’t prove that.

What I did in the state cases was medical, not sexual, but because of the porn I lost all credibility. So I’m trying to avoid a trial to save the stress to my community, my family...yet look what’s happening. It’s wrong. I was a good doctor, because my treatments worked and those patients that are now speaking out were the same ones that praised and came back over and over. The media convinced them that it was wrong and bad.

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. The media is sensationalizing this. The [attorney general’s office] forced me to [plea guilty]. I was so manipulated by the AG, and now Aquilina, and all I wanted was to minimize stress to everyone. The FBI investigated [my Olympic treatments] in 2015 because nothing was wrong. Now they’re seeking the media attention and financial reward.

DISGUSTING POS.
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fightcitymayor wrote:
At some point, we as a society need to have a thorough conversation about NDA's, and hush money, and the idea of the suppression of public speech being weaponized by moneyed interests who are well aware that the worst thing in the world would be for their crimes to be publicized.


I just said it as an aside in another thread, that we need a process where someone can take an NDA to a court and have it declared not in the public interest but - critically - no money is paid back.
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Just wondering what the context of the letter was. I haven’t seen it on any of the reports.
 
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Dearlove wrote:
fightcitymayor wrote:
At some point, we as a society need to have a thorough conversation about NDA's, and hush money, and the idea of the suppression of public speech being weaponized by moneyed interests who are well aware that the worst thing in the world would be for their crimes to be publicized.


I just said it as an aside in another thread, that we need a process where someone can take an NDA to a court and have it declared not in the public interest but - critically - no money is paid back.


Can an NDA prohibit someone from making a criminal complaint?
 
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GuidoVanHorn wrote:
Dearlove wrote:
fightcitymayor wrote:
At some point, we as a society need to have a thorough conversation about NDA's, and hush money, and the idea of the suppression of public speech being weaponized by moneyed interests who are well aware that the worst thing in the world would be for their crimes to be publicized.


I just said it as an aside in another thread, that we need a process where someone can take an NDA to a court and have it declared not in the public interest but - critically - no money is paid back.


Can an NDA prohibit someone from making a criminal complaint?


They've clearly been used for at least a couple decades to shut up sexually harassed, assaulted, and maybe even raped women.

Here is $150,000. Shut up. If you talk, you lose the money. It is huge restitution to the offended party for a hard to convict case and chicken feed that lets the offender repeat and even escalate their behavior with later victims.
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Anyone with knowledge of the legal system know how theatrics by a judge play out? If I wanted to make sure someone went away for a long time I would be robotically by-the-book.


I'm no expert but there was an interesting thread about judges' roles in delivering sentences. Click thru for all of it, couple of highlights.

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fightcitymayor wrote:
At some point, we as a society need to have a thorough conversation about NDA's, and hush money, and the idea of the suppression of public speech being weaponized by moneyed interests who are well aware that the worst thing in the world would be for their crimes to be publicized.

Public Relations has always been a thing, but in the modern world where an online news story can be the difference between resolution & stonewalling, average citizens are ill-equipped to face (and ill-informed about) various moneyed juggernauts of power who will literally do anything in the short-term to keep their long-con going.

How many NDA's were signed over the last 50 years that, if broadcasted, would have saved countless women from being sexually exploited? And before you say: "But mayor, these girls signed them didn't they?!?" That's the equivalent of a cop threatening you in a locked room that they will plant evidence, increase false charges, and uniformly act against any hope you have in court unless you sign the piece of paper they put in front of you. These lawyers know damn well that a rape/assault victim isn't going to want to have his/her name plastered across the local tabloid pages as they sit in court recounting emotionally painful episodes of their lives that they would rather forget.

And therein lies the depths of the scumbaggery: Unless you keep silent about us, then we will make it our mission to drag your name, and your reputation, and your emotional scars through every district court, federal court, and appeals court we can fund. And they can fund a lot!


The secrecy and shaming of victims needs to stop. I have found out--long after the fact--about sexual child abuse situations that happened within families who kept it secret, because they didn't want to ruin the perpetrator's marriage or hurt his spouse. Meanwhile the child victims had to continue to encounter the family members who got off without any consequences. (In once instance, the child's parent witnessed the abuse when it occurred, so it was not a question of believing or not believing that it happened.) The children, who felt ashamed and at fault, learned that their parents and other adults felt that the adult perpetrator (and his reputation, feelings, and marriage) were more important than them and what they experienced. One of the perpetrators went on to have numerous grandchildren who often crawled into bed with him to watch TV for hours at a time (I shudder to think how many more children were victimized by this animal because no one wanted to hurt his wife; again the wife and perpetrator were more important than any child or potential victim).

We need to stop protecting adults and start protecting children and women who are sexually abused. Adequate consequences--incarceration--and scandal need to directly impact the perpetrators while assuring the children/women that they were not at fault, were in fact groomed and chosen to be victims, and to provide them with counseling. Too bad if their spouse freaks out or their marriage is ruined. It's not the children's fault if that happens; the perpetrators should have controlled and stifled their perverted desires and not touched them in the first place!
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That makes me even more angry.
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GuidoVanHorn wrote:
Dearlove wrote:
fightcitymayor wrote:
At some point, we as a society need to have a thorough conversation about NDA's, and hush money, and the idea of the suppression of public speech being weaponized by moneyed interests who are well aware that the worst thing in the world would be for their crimes to be publicized.


I just said it as an aside in another thread, that we need a process where someone can take an NDA to a court and have it declared not in the public interest but - critically - no money is paid back.


Can an NDA prohibit someone from making a criminal complaint?


I tend to think no. A contract can't be made to govern illegal activity for example. So I don't see how an NDA could be enforceable with respect to essentially attempting to silence someone from making a criminal complaint.
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