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I know there is a growing disgust with white 'Evangelical' republican Christianity. Which I share.

Tim Keller, much more eloquent than me, does a great job in the New Yorker today of outlining the Christianity I adhere to.

Can Evangelicalism Survive Donald Trump and Roy Moore?
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Christianity, taken seriously, is a very demanding religion, regardless of denomination. I am no christian, but I can respect Christians that take their faith seriously, and try to live it every day. Now, the trick with faiths as broad and prescriptive as Christianity is that it's very easy to say all the words, and even believe one wants to follow the whole thing. Only when someone faces situations where those values become very inconvenient are the beliefs, and the faith, tested.

No matter the pretty stories we tell ourselves in our heads, our actions tell us who we really are. When it comes to Very Religious Evangelicals in the US, we all have learned that a whole lot of them don't give a flying fuck about behavior when someone is on their team. For many, their faith is just a Church of Convenience, where entire chapters of the Bible are erased, or interpreted in the most convenient way at the time. Hate gays? Great, the Church of Convenience hates gays too! Like rape? It's all good as long as it's Convenient(TM)! Convenience: for the times when Satanism is just too difficult to follow.

We hear that America is a Christian nation, but people are going to have to realize that this is all a sham: There's people that really care about their faith, but they are a small minority of people calling themselves religious. The rest just want a cloak that makes them see themselves as Good, when they aren't just sacks of sin, but also will support other giant sacks of sin as long as it's convenient, and it's almost always convenient.

In some ways, I wish Trump was more blatantly depraved, if just to make it harder for his supporters to hide behind denial. I am a big fan of lies deceit, but even I find the level of self deception in the US as unhealthy. Only when Americans realize who they are as a nation will we have a chance of healing.
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Technology (i.e. TV) has brought forth the ability of people to proselityze, and unfortunately, brought forth some of the worst 'evangelicals', ones that tainted the name;

http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/11/us/gallery/pastor-scandals/ind...


Evangelicism will survive Trump and Moore, they are the temporaries here.
 
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I was surprised by this:

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And, again, unlike many in mainline Protestantism, evangelicals believe that Jesus truly did exist as the divine Son before he was born, that he actually was born of a virgin, and that he really was raised bodily from the dead.


I go to a mainline Protestant church (United Methodist), and I don't know of anyone who would disagree with those statements. Those things are part of our core beliefs, and I'd be real surprised if the same weren't true of Presbyterians, Lutherans, Episcopals, etc.
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Erik17 wrote:
I was surprised by this:

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And, again, unlike many in mainline Protestantism, evangelicals believe that Jesus truly did exist as the divine Son before he was born, that he actually was born of a virgin, and that he really was raised bodily from the dead.


I go to a mainline Protestant church (United Methodist), and I don't know of anyone who would disagree with those statements. Those things are part of our core beliefs, and I'd be real surprised if the same weren't true of Presbyterians, Lutherans, Episcopals, etc.


There was a lot of weird shit in that article, like the ideas in it were somehow fringe and not fundamental.
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“Evangelical” used to denote people who claimed the high moral ground; now, in popular usage, the word is nearly synonymous with “hypocrite.”


hypocrite ? I believe the correct word they where searching for is "fuckwit".
 
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Erik17 wrote:
I was surprised by this:

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And, again, unlike many in mainline Protestantism, evangelicals believe that Jesus truly did exist as the divine Son before he was born, that he actually was born of a virgin, and that he really was raised bodily from the dead.


I go to a mainline Protestant church (United Methodist), and I don't know of anyone who would disagree with those statements. Those things are part of our core beliefs, and I'd be real surprised if the same weren't true of Presbyterians, Lutherans, Episcopals, etc.


Baptist here. Three for three.
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Zedsdead wrote:
Erik17 wrote:
I was surprised by this:

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And, again, unlike many in mainline Protestantism, evangelicals believe that Jesus truly did exist as the divine Son before he was born, that he actually was born of a virgin, and that he really was raised bodily from the dead.


I go to a mainline Protestant church (United Methodist), and I don't know of anyone who would disagree with those statements. Those things are part of our core beliefs, and I'd be real surprised if the same weren't true of Presbyterians, Lutherans, Episcopals, etc.


Baptist here. Three for three.

From my experience growing up, anyone questioning any of those three statements would not have been regarded as a genuine Christian.
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Zedsdead wrote:
Erik17 wrote:
I was surprised by this:

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And, again, unlike many in mainline Protestantism, evangelicals believe that Jesus truly did exist as the divine Son before he was born, that he actually was born of a virgin, and that he really was raised bodily from the dead.


I go to a mainline Protestant church (United Methodist), and I don't know of anyone who would disagree with those statements. Those things are part of our core beliefs, and I'd be real surprised if the same weren't true of Presbyterians, Lutherans, Episcopals, etc.


Baptist here. Three for three.


Roman Catholic here. I don't know who the author is, but they don't seem to actually know much about any Christian denomination (Protestant, Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, you name it) if that's what they think. There isn't a Christian denomination that I know of that doesn't accept those points as facts (or articles of faith, take your pick).
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I think he's commenting more on the beliefs of American people in the pews rather than official statements of faith by mainline denominations. It's great that Christians here are in agreement on those essential doctrines but I think we are in the minority of Americans and Europeans who self-identify as Christian.

Edit - I think this is especially true for Trump thumping Christians who hate gays, immigrants and democrats.
 
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Much of my family would be considered "Evangelical", including my mom.

We still get along but only if politics aren't brought up. They all have made it pretty clear that they feel I'm ignorant and misguided...and I feel the same toward them. As they are the ones pushing their attitudes and beliefs into politics, affecting the rest of us--I actually feel quite a bit more hostile than that toward them. I consider them the enemy of the USA that I want to live in.
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The article really resonates with me, because my family is certainly "evangelical" in the old sense (or maybe in the "new immigrant churches" sense) but has absolutely nothing in common, and are in fact horrified by the "Evangelical" political/social movement.

It's hard to talk about in most cases because it can verge on "No True Evangelical", but it's really nice to see it laid out so clearly.
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NPR had a segment a week ago saying that Evangelicals are looking for something new to call themselves that hasn't been politicized yet. Like Fundamentalism, many Evangelicals feel that what the term has become doesn't fit what they actually believe, obviously for those who lean liberal. I didn't read the article, but I assume that's what it is about.
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