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US making plans for 'bloody nose’ military attack on North Korea

Can we at least have Christmas before the end of the world?
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Eh, what's the big deal about a couple hundred thousand South Koreans dead, no biggie.
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Even if we absolutely and totally-for-sure wiped out 100% of their nuclear arsenal and ability to develop any future nuclear capability - with conventional weapons, only, North Korea is easily capable of leveling Seoul and leaving millions dead.

I'm just not sure what this would gain.
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Welllll... planning various conventional attacks to prevent NK missile launches is something we want the military to be doing; that alone is not worrisome, and I'm sure they were doing it before Trump took office. This bit, though:

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The conversations show that the Trump administration is more willing to consider military options to end the conflict than widely assumed.

Assumed by whom!? Trump doesn't give a shit about the lives of American soldiers, and even less about Korean civilians. I thought everyone assumed he'd love to mix it up with NK.
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XanderF wrote:
Even if we absolutely and totally-for-sure wiped out 100% of their nuclear arsenal and ability to develop any future nuclear capability - with conventional weapons, only, North Korea is easily capable of leveling Seoul and leaving millions dead.

I'm just not sure what this would gain.


I've seen analysis which says only part of the arsenal can reach Seoul and that part of the arsenal can't completely destroy it. Only 5 to 7 million dead. Of course... if they are wrong by 5 to 10 miles then it could be 60-70 million dead on the korean penninsula fairly quickly.

If the attack goes poorly (as they frequently do), then Trump will say, "I was misled by the military and didn't order the attack."
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“General Scapegoat — a registered Democrat and Clinton campaign donor - made the decision to attack, against my bigly protests.”
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It's funny given that in any thread about North Korea here we read the same cliches about the US not having any interest at all in attacking North Korea and the leadership of North Korea being paranoid loose cannons.

The situation in North Korea is going to need international mediation between the US and North Korea if it's ever to resolve.
 
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It's funny that in any thread about North Korea here we read the same cliches about the US not having any interest at all in attacking North Korea

Are we reading the same thread? Which posts are you referring to?
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kuhrusty wrote:
viclineal wrote:
It's funny that in any thread about North Korea here we read the same cliches about the US not having any interest at all in attacking North Korea

Are we reading the same thread? Which posts are you referring to?


Sorry, I wasn't clear. What I meant is that this is funny given that in any [prior] thread about North Korea...

The posts (and posters) stating that are absent from this thread, for obvious reasons.

Edited to clarify.
 
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The rational oart of the US has no interest in attacking NK. Trump's admin is a shitpile abberation.

The US probably has *plans* to attack everything from Spain to the UK to Fiji somewhere on the books, because why not?
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So the US decides an Eastern Asian country is a threat to peace and institutes increasingly tight sanctions, escalating to most oil imports that the affected nation considers tantamount to a declaration of war. And the next step is?

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Pearl Harbor. Well, last time.
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'There's a war coming': Marine Corps commandant tells troops to be ready for a 'big-ass fight

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maxo-texas wrote:
XanderF wrote:
Even if we absolutely and totally-for-sure wiped out 100% of their nuclear arsenal and ability to develop any future nuclear capability - with conventional weapons, only, North Korea is easily capable of leveling Seoul and leaving millions dead.

I'm just not sure what this would gain.


I've seen analysis which says only part of the arsenal can reach Seoul and that part of the arsenal can't completely destroy it. Only 5 to 7 million dead. Of course... if they are wrong by 5 to 10 miles then it could be 60-70 million dead on the korean penninsula fairly quickly.

If the attack goes poorly (as they frequently do), then Trump will say, "I was misled by the military and didn't order the attack."


Mac, I love ya, but cut the hyperbole. There are only 76 million people living on the entire peninsula to begin with, North and South combined. North Korea does not have the capability to exterminate the entire population of the peninsula, and the US is not going to use its nuclear arsenal to destroy millions of people either (if for no other reason than to avoid exposing Japan to significant fallout). This is a bad situation, but let's keep things real. Several million potential dead is bad enough.
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desertfox2004 wrote:
maxo-texas wrote:
XanderF wrote:
Even if we absolutely and totally-for-sure wiped out 100% of their nuclear arsenal and ability to develop any future nuclear capability - with conventional weapons, only, North Korea is easily capable of leveling Seoul and leaving millions dead.

I'm just not sure what this would gain.


I've seen analysis which says only part of the arsenal can reach Seoul and that part of the arsenal can't completely destroy it. Only 5 to 7 million dead. Of course... if they are wrong by 5 to 10 miles then it could be 60-70 million dead on the korean penninsula fairly quickly.

If the attack goes poorly (as they frequently do), then Trump will say, "I was misled by the military and didn't order the attack."


Mac, I love ya, but cut the hyperbole. There are only 76 million people living on the entire peninsula to begin with, North and South combined. North Korea does not have the capability to exterminate the entire population of the peninsula, and the US is not going to use its nuclear arsenal to destroy millions of people either (if for no other reason than to avoid exposing Japan to significant fallout). This is a bad situation, but let's keep things real. Several million potential dead is bad enough.





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desertfox2004 wrote:
maxo-texas wrote:
XanderF wrote:
Even if we absolutely and totally-for-sure wiped out 100% of their nuclear arsenal and ability to develop any future nuclear capability - with conventional weapons, only, North Korea is easily capable of leveling Seoul and leaving millions dead.

I'm just not sure what this would gain.


I've seen analysis which says only part of the arsenal can reach Seoul and that part of the arsenal can't completely destroy it. Only 5 to 7 million dead. Of course... if they are wrong by 5 to 10 miles then it could be 60-70 million dead on the korean penninsula fairly quickly.

If the attack goes poorly (as they frequently do), then Trump will say, "I was misled by the military and didn't order the attack."


Mac, I love ya, but cut the hyperbole. There are only 76 million people living on the entire peninsula to begin with, North and South combined. North Korea does not have the capability to exterminate the entire population of the peninsula, and the US is not going to use its nuclear arsenal to destroy millions of people either (if for no other reason than to avoid exposing Japan to significant fallout). This is a bad situation, but let's keep things real. Several million potential dead is bad enough.


Hey man, I love you too.

I did say 5 to 7 million and only if analysts and military are wrong could higher fatalities result.

North Korea has 25 million people teetering on the edge of death. Starving, riddled with parasites, even elite solders willing to run thru a hail of gunfire to try and escape. It is a huge humanitarian crisis just waiting to break. About 2 million north koreans died between 94 and 98. And without a global effort to feed north koreans, the number would have been much higher.

South Korea's 51 million people live with a population density 10x the global average. The same type of attacks would kill many more south koreans than they would in other countries.

Seoul's population density is 17,000 people per square mile.

THAAD can't protect Seoul at all.

North Korean attacks can reach as far as Wonju and Cheonan - about 90km inside South Korea.

They have ICBM's now.

They have at least 200 launchers including Scud's and No Dong missiles which can easily cover all of South Korea allowing attacks on all the highly dense major cities. They have no compunction against using biological, chemical, or radiological weapons. They regularly execute large numbers of their own people.

They've been working on biological weapons since the 1960s and according to us, they have an advanced biological weapons program.

All i said was.. if the warhawks are wrong, this could be much uglier than they project. There could be huge fatalities in every major city in South Korea. Huge numbers of North Koreas could be tipped over the edge to death by starvation.

Is 60-70 million an overstatement. Okay-- sure. I was talking off the cuff. But 7 million could be a tremendous understatement.
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And what if they can release biological weapons against Japan?
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It makes sense now as to why Trump hates NK so much. They can get more people to show up to rallies than he can.
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