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I have just purchased this game due to the great reviews i have seen but after reading the rules one thing is just bothering me.
How on earth can a hero defeat a greater demon? it is so unthematic and completely out of the warhammer lore...
 
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Hannes Sörensson
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Because rules exceptions are generally to be avoided.
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It's not impossible, you can consider that a hero marker indicates a whole army and greater daemons have been defeated in warhammer lore.

Furthermore, usually the greater daemon is the last figure from a God to be removed and I think that they require constant sacrifices and warp energy to maintain their physical form in the world. This means that the hero doesn't need to slay the daemon, he must only defeat the last remains of cults and foul creatures serving the chaos god in that region to banish it.

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Utana wrote:
It's not impossible, you can consider that a hero marker indicates a whole army and greater daemons have been defeated in warhammer lore.

Furthermore, usually the greater daemon is the last figure from a God to be removed and I think that they require constant sacrifices and warp energy to maintain their physical form in the world. This means that the hero doesn't need to slay the daemon, he must only defeat the last remains of cults and foul creatures serving the chaos god in that region to banish it.


interesting idea we could just interpret that the heromarkers represent a bunch of heroes and armies and be done with it just like the peasant marker which represents a whole village
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kovaltio wrote:
Utana wrote:
It's not impossible, you can consider that a hero marker indicates a whole army and greater daemons have been defeated in warhammer lore.

Furthermore, usually the greater daemon is the last figure from a God to be removed and I think that they require constant sacrifices and warp energy to maintain their physical form in the world. This means that the hero doesn't need to slay the daemon, he must only defeat the last remains of cults and foul creatures serving the chaos god in that region to banish it.


interesting idea we could just interpret that the heromarkers represent a bunch of heroes and armies and be done with it just like the peasant marker which represents a whole village


Yes. More like a whole order of heroic knights. All board games are abstractions to some degree or other. The closer they veer towards simulation the less playable the become.

A Cultist figure most likely also does not represent a single cultist but rather a whole congregation including a high priest or whatever they may be called.

The Hero mechanic in this game as is gives some interesting tactical considerations with regards to Greater Demons, allowing Slaanesh or Tzeentch to basically assassinate a lone one under the right circumstances.
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A Cultist figure most likely also does not represent a single cultist

It clearly represents at least two of them
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Hattes wrote:
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A Cultist figure most likely also does not represent a single cultist

It clearly represents at least two of them


I stand corrected. Thanks
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Well Tyrion is a hero as has been quite famous for defeating Greater Daemons. Heroes doing epic things seems quite plausible in a fantasy setting.
 
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In Warhammer Quest our heroes defeated Greater Daemons quite regularly.
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GrannyRELee wrote:
Well Tyrion is a hero as has been quite famous for defeating Greater Daemons. Heroes doing epic things seems quite plausible in a fantasy setting.


As did Gotrek, another hero of Warhammer lore.
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As a former long time Warhammer Fantasy follower, I see nothing wrong with that. Greater daemons were heroes them8selves and were far from unkillable in battles. Besides, as stated by others, I never considered the token to represent a single hero.
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Yep, Tyrion and Gotrek were pretty badass and pwned some daemons over the years.

Tabletop wise, if you're fielding ultra mega elite troops like Karl Franz flying around on Deathclaw, there's a chance -- a very, very small chance -- that a run of good luck for Karl Franz and very bad luck for the Daemons could result in some otherwise unbelievable outcomes.

But, hey, those moments of victory against impossible odds are the stories we remember and are the ones that get told and re-told until they become legend.
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It was quite a common occurrence in 5th edition really, my dwarf lords ate greater deamons for breakfast.
 
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kovaltio wrote:
I have just purchased this game due to the great reviews i have seen but after reading the rules one thing is just bothering me.
How on earth can a hero defeat a greater demon? it is so unthematic and completely out of the warhammer lore...


I think you have got this totally wrong. In WH and WH40k, Heroes can be MASSIVELY POWERFUL. I'm more versed in 40k lore than the fantasy version, but for example Grey Knight Heroes are absolutely capable of going toe to toe with Greater Daeomons (it's kind of their job to do so).

It is totally true that when building Chaos Armies, one of the potential advantages that you have is that Greater Daemons and Chaos Lords can be simply soaked in points... they can be made some of the most powerful single units in the game. But Grey Knights, Space Orks and Tau can also throw out some big hitters as well. I would assume it's somewhat the same in the fantasy version...
 
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