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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/opioid-fentanyl-overdose-deaths...

Deaths from drug overdose is up 21% vs. last year due to the opioid epidemic. Good thing the Republicans have their eye on the ball and have been doing everything they can to address the problem.
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The law of unexpected consequences strikes again - the police kill enough blackmen it shows up in the stats!
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/opioid-fentanyl-overdose-deaths...

Deaths from drug overdose is up 21% vs. last year due to the opioid epidemic. Good thing the Republicans have their eye on the ball and have been doing everything they can to address the problem.
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Oh my, I had no idea the growth rate was so high in the past few years.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/26/us/opioid-crisis-public-h...

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The current opioid epidemic is the deadliest drug crisis in American history. Overdoses, fueled by opioids, are the leading cause of death for Americans under 50 years old — killing roughly 64,000 people last year, more than guns or car accidents, and doing so at a pace faster than the H.I.V. epidemic did at its peak.

President Trump declared the opioid crisis a “public health emergency” on Thursday, though he did not release additional funding to address it. Had he declared it a “national emergency,” as he promised to do in August, it would have led to the quick allocation of federal funds.




https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/03/27/opioid-crisis...

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The circle of patients gathered for group therapy at a doctor’s family practice in McKenzie, Tennessee, could well represent the face of the state’s opioid epidemic.

They were in a small city in a rural county, fertile ground for prescription drug addiction, though they traveled from as far as Nashville and Missouri. They were young or middle-aged and ranged from blue-collar workers to businesspeople. They said painkillers prescribed after accidents or injuries paved the way to their dependence on opioids.

They also were all white.

Of all deaths in 2015 from opioid and heroin overdoses nationwide, about 90percent of the people were white.

Black people accounted for little more than 8 percent, according to U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention data.


https://www.npr.org/2016/12/17/505965420/study-communities-m...
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Study: Communities Most Affected By Opioid Epidemic Also Voted For Trump
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The sad thing is:

A combination of Tylenol and Advil worked just as well as opioids for relief of pain in the emergency room, a randomized trial has found.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/08/well/live/alternatives-to...

But of course a patentable, addicting drug is preferred.
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Tall_Walt wrote:
The sad thing is:

A combination of Tylenol and Advil worked just as well as opioids for relief of pain in the emergency room, a randomized trial has found.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/08/well/live/alternatives-to...

But of course a patentable, addicting drug is preferred.

I've been a regular user of naproxen (similar to ibuprofen but lasts longer) + acetaminophen for several years due to pain caused by sciatica and psoriatic arthritis. Usually only take the naproxen, but I'll add the acetaminophen when the pain is really bothering me. The two medications work in slightly different ways and when combined fight pain better than increasing the dosage of either one by itself.

For those who only buy those fancy brands, Aleve = naproxen, Tylenol = acetaminophen, and Advil = ibuprofen.
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I'm sure the tax cut that just passed will trickle down to solve this problem.
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Tall_Walt wrote:
The sad thing is:

A combination of Tylenol and Advil worked just as well as opioids for relief of pain in the emergency room, a randomized trial has found.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/08/well/live/alternatives-to...

But of course a patentable, addicting drug is preferred.


I don't think you'd get the same results for other types of pain.

It takes awhile for medical results to trickle into the brains of doctors, but we'll probably see that mix used for sprains in ER visits soon enough.
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I wonder how rising obesity levels affects this also.

My kids play (rec level) soccer and it's astounding how heavy kids are--and these are the ones out playing sports!

When I was a kid in the 70s I recall one "fat kid" in my class, he'd get picked on, I remember that...I had some old pics from elementary school and saw him--he was just a little heavy, you wouldn't even call him fat by today's standards. As a society we really need to be paying more attention to our food (myself included!)
 
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sfox wrote:
US life expectancy drops for 2nd year in a row.


Several years into ObamaCare we are finally feeling its true effects... Shortening of Lifespans... Maybe free medical coverage isnt all its cracked up to be?


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Good thing the Republicans have their eye on the ball and have been doing everything they can to address the problem.


If something isnt working, I guess a repeal would be the next best thing.
 
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sao123 wrote:
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US life expectancy drops for 2nd year in a row.


Several years into ObamaCare we are finally feeling its true effects... Shortening of Lifespans... Maybe free medical coverage isnt all its cracked up to be?


Nice try. It's the effects of the opioid epidemic, in actual fact.
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wifwendell wrote:
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US life expectancy drops for 2nd year in a row.

Several years into ObamaCare we are finally feeling its true effects... Shortening of Lifespans... Maybe free medical coverage isnt all its cracked up to be?

Nice try. It's the effects of the opioid epidemic, in actual fact.

... and maybe a problem caused in part by having a profit motive to drug prescriptions could be solved by taking the profit motive out of healthcare.
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As listed above, many of the people dying are in Republican states.

Republican states are noteworthy for crippling the Affordable Care Act.

Also in general the age of the people dying from the opioid epidemic is mostly the age of people who don't need the Affordable Care Act yet.
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So what's with the sudden rise in the last couple years? It's not like this is a new crisis. I just don't get the sudden spike.
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So what's with the sudden rise in the last couple years? It's not like this is a new crisis. I just don't get the sudden spike.

Pharmaceutical companies marketing opiods to doctors and directly to the public has resulted in far more opioid prescriptions. They are dangerous, but they also produce what many people consider to be an enjoyable high when you overdose on them. So the easy availability combined with the common knowledge of using them to get high results in a lot of people dying.

Or in summary, a lot of kids stealing their grandmothers drugs to get high on. Also plenty of cases of people getting their doctors to prescribe the drugs to them (paid for by insurance/medicare) with the goal of selling them into the drug market to generate extra money.
 
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wifwendell wrote:
sao123 wrote:
sfox wrote:
US life expectancy drops for 2nd year in a row.


Several years into ObamaCare we are finally feeling its true effects... Shortening of Lifespans... Maybe free medical coverage isnt all its cracked up to be?


Nice try. It's the effects of the opioid epidemic, in actual fact.


Well thats easy to explain...the opiod epidemic stems from:



The forced oppression of the liberal agenda on decent people causing a mass epidemic of depression:
a)Supporting gateway drugs like marijuana which lead to stronger and stronger drugs
b)Continuing to deny the military necessary funding to fight our war on terror thus lengthening it by unnecessary years
c)failing to support common sense immigration policies to support american workers and the war on terror
d)anti-america, pro-commie pro-globalist policies
e)Supporting enemy Muslim countries, while denouncing our israeli allies.
f)Supporting a disgraceful campaign against religion
g)failing to fund/support the nationalized manned space program, which served as a national rally point for decades
h)years of high taxes on working middle class families to pay for the to lazy to work and those who chose to do poorly in school or drop out
i)failure to promote responsibility and self reliance
j)destruction of the traditional family structure
k)pushing the disgusting homosexual agenda
l)promotion of promiscuity, and birth control through abortion, instead of commonsense abstinence policies
 
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mlcarter815 wrote:
So what's with the sudden rise in the last couple years? It's not like this is a new crisis. I just don't get the sudden spike.


Hard to find much but apparently part of it is due to a heroin crack down. Synthetic opioids are much, much, much, ...25 times, much, much stronger than heroin.

As experienced users denied heroin switched over to synthetic opiods (like fentanyl (sp)), they died due to the difference in potency per dose size.
 
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sao123 wrote:
wifwendell wrote:
sao123 wrote:
sfox wrote:
US life expectancy drops for 2nd year in a row.


Several years into ObamaCare we are finally feeling its true effects... Shortening of Lifespans... Maybe free medical coverage isnt all its cracked up to be?


Nice try. It's the effects of the opioid epidemic, in actual fact.


Well thats easy to explain...the opiod epidemic stems from:



The forced oppression of the liberal agenda on decent people causing a mass epidemic of depression:
a)Supporting gateway drugs like marijuana which lead to stronger and stronger drugs
b)Continuing to deny the military necessary funding to fight our war on terror thus lengthening it by unnecessary years
c)failing to support common sense immigration policies to support american workers and the war on terror
d)anti-america, pro-commie pro-globalist policies
e)Supporting enemy Muslim countries, while denouncing our israeli allies.
f)Supporting a disgraceful campaign against religion
g)failing to fund/support the nationalized manned space program, which served as a national rally point for decades
h)years of high taxes on working middle class families to pay for the to lazy to work and those who chose to do poorly in school or drop out
i)failure to promote responsibility and self reliance
j)destruction of the traditional family structure
k)pushing the disgusting homosexual agenda
l)promotion of promiscuity, and birth control through abortion, instead of commonsense abstinence policies


These are the reasons drug companies have been lobbying congress to weaken the DEA's response to the drug crisis? You really should read something besides right wing wack-a-doodles.
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sao123 wrote:
wifwendell wrote:
sao123 wrote:
Several years into ObamaCare we are finally feeling its true effects... Shortening of Lifespans... Maybe free medical coverage isnt all its cracked up to be?

Nice try. It's the effects of the opioid epidemic, in actual fact.

Well thats easy to explain...the opiod epidemic stems from:



The forced oppression of the liberal agenda on decent people causing a mass epidemic of depression:
a)Supporting gateway drugs like marijuana which lead to stronger and stronger drugs
b)Continuing to deny the military necessary funding to fight our war on terror thus lengthening it by unnecessary years
c)failing to support common sense immigration policies to support american workers and the war on terror
d)anti-america, pro-commie pro-globalist policies
e)Supporting enemy Muslim countries, while denouncing our israeli allies.
f)Supporting a disgraceful campaign against religion
g)failing to fund/support the nationalized manned space program, which served as a national rally point for decades
h)years of high taxes on working middle class families to pay for the to lazy to work and those who chose to do poorly in school or drop out
i)failure to promote responsibility and self reliance
j)destruction of the traditional family structure
k)pushing the disgusting homosexual agenda
l)promotion of promiscuity, and birth control through abortion, instead of commonsense abstinence policies

Man, I can't tell whether you're a complete fucking idiot, or really good at pretending to be one on the Internet.
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edgarthewoebringer wrote:
I wonder how rising obesity levels affects this also.

Obesity would cause more backaches, hip issues, diabetes, heart conditions, strokes, etc.

mlcarter815 wrote:
So what's with the sudden rise in the last couple years? It's not like this is a new crisis. I just don't get the sudden spike.

Despair in older white males. We discussed this in March: Re: New Lowest Class?
 
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sfox wrote:
mlcarter815 wrote:
So what's with the sudden rise in the last couple years? It's not like this is a new crisis. I just don't get the sudden spike.

Pharmaceutical companies marketing opiods to doctors and directly to the public has resulted in far more opioid prescriptions. They are dangerous, but they also produce what many people consider to be an enjoyable high when you overdose on them. So the easy availability combined with the common knowledge of using them to get high results in a lot of people dying.

Or in summary, a lot of kids stealing their grandmothers drugs to get high on. Also plenty of cases of people getting their doctors to prescribe the drugs to them (paid for by insurance/medicare) with the goal of selling them into the drug market to generate extra money.


But didn’t we know that was a problem five years ago? I would have expected a slower slope.
 
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mlcarter815 wrote:
So what's with the sudden rise in the last couple years? It's not like this is a new crisis. I just don't get the sudden spike.


Hard to find much but apparently part of it is due to a heroin crack down. Synthetic opioids are much, much, much, ...25 times, much, much stronger than heroin.

As experienced users denied heroin switched over to synthetic opiods (like fentanyl (sp)), they died due to the difference in potency per dose size.


Ok, that makes more sense than doctors suddenly overprescribing against current trends.
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Tall_Walt wrote:
edgarthewoebringer wrote:
I wonder how rising obesity levels affects this also.

Obesity would cause more backaches, hip issues, diabetes, heart conditions, strokes, etc.

mlcarter815 wrote:
So what's with the sudden rise in the last couple years? It's not like this is a new crisis. I just don't get the sudden spike.

Despair in older white males. We discussed this in March: Re: New Lowest Class?


I thought old white males prefer to use a gun or hang themselves. It’s women who typically go with less violent methods.
 
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mlcarter815 wrote:
Tall_Walt wrote:
edgarthewoebringer wrote:
I wonder how rising obesity levels affects this also.

Obesity would cause more backaches, hip issues, diabetes, heart conditions, strokes, etc.

mlcarter815 wrote:
So what's with the sudden rise in the last couple years? It's not like this is a new crisis. I just don't get the sudden spike.

Despair in older white males. We discussed this in March: Re: New Lowest Class?


I thought old white males prefer to use a gun or hang themselves. It’s women who typically go with less violent methods.

Despair causes obesity, and all its attendant health issues, plus self-medication with alcohol or opiates makes the situation worse, since they then can't pass drug tests. They may accidentally overdose; the combo of alcohol and opioids may do them in, especially alcohol's dis-inhibiting effect; and they may run out of their prescription opioids and overdose on stronger street drugs.

It would make sense that the wives (and families) are suffering, too.
 
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Tall_Walt wrote:
mlcarter815 wrote:
Tall_Walt wrote:
edgarthewoebringer wrote:
I wonder how rising obesity levels affects this also.

Obesity would cause more backaches, hip issues, diabetes, heart conditions, strokes, etc.

mlcarter815 wrote:
So what's with the sudden rise in the last couple years? It's not like this is a new crisis. I just don't get the sudden spike.

Despair in older white males. We discussed this in March: Re: New Lowest Class?


I thought old white males prefer to use a gun or hang themselves. It’s women who typically go with less violent methods.

Despair causes obesity, and all its attendant health issues, plus self-medication with alcohol or opiates makes the situation worse, since they then can't pass drug tests. They may accidentally overdose; the combo of alcohol and opioids may do them in, especially alcohol's dis-inhibiting effect; and they may run out of their prescription opioids and overdose on stronger street drugs.

It would make sense that the wives (and families) are suffering, too.


I don't know. Every documentary I've seen about the opioid crisis has this framed as a middle class issue and I've never been drug screened.
 
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