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Subject: Yet another Fox fixing rss

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Geki
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We had been observing extremely low performances by Mr Fox, who was consistently placing last in our games.

We considered some of the proposed variants but found them too powerful (like the leaping frog mentioned in “other animals”, which could gain the Fox/frog a ridiculous edge) or Quonky (like the cutting corners option somebody mentioned, which would simply translate in a two or three spaces advantage).

In the end, we went with the following:

If after the animals have moved the Fox is alone, it moves forward one space trying to catch up. This helped the animal being more competitive and this, in turn, avoided people giving up on the Fox when it had no chance of making it to the finish line in time, as it often happened before.

The only thing we are still debating is whether this should apply even when Mr Fox is in the lead or not.
 
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geki wrote:
We had been observing extremely low performances by Mr Fox, who was consistently placing last in our games.


Before you fix anything: How many players do you usually play with? Is the Fox being picked as often as the other animals? An animal can suffer just because a metagame builds around it, with people never picking it intentionally. Animals with more players "rooting" for them are generally at a big advantage.
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miha hančič
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It depends on how you play him, I have won many times with mr. Fox or at least placed on the podium.
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Fernando Robert Yu
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All the contestants have already won in my games.
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After over 40 plays, I feel that no fixing is required.

Perhaps in your game someone is getting all of their fox cards trumped by a howler?
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drneau wrote:
After over 40 plays, I feel that no fixing is required.

Perhaps in your game someone is getting all of their fox cards trumped by a howler?


We’ve played this over 50 times with more than 30 different players, so for us it is unlikely to be a group thinking problem. The Fox is underperforming for us, hence the “fixing” (in quotes since the game is not broken per se).

Beside the rebalancing act, this adds a significant layer of depth that was missing from the fox compared to other more interesting animals.
 
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In 26 plays the Fox has consistently placed at the Podium (although it has won only 3 to 4 times). In early plays it was the sheep that seemed overpowered but after a while you found ways to counter that so it has been fair game afterwards. Don't think the Fox needs fixing although he is indeed challenging in terms of being at the top of the podium.
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