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Dakota MaCleod
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Help, I need an opinion. What is the best operational-level Arab-Israeli conflict game out. Got Christmas $$$!!!
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Crisis: Sinai 1973 is about the Egyptian portion (i.e. Sinai Desert) of the Yom Kippur War, as is SCS Yom Kippur.

SCS Heights of Courage is about the Syrian portion (i.e. Golan Heights) of the Yom Kippur War.

Elusive Victory covers the air war only for the Sinai during the Six Day War and Yom Kippur War.
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Hi!

I have not much to go on as to your preferences and experiences. So I will recommend some of my all time favourites. Suez '73 has given me much indepth operational information regarding the Egyptian Theatre of the 1973 conflict. The crunch of this game is deep and mechanically rigorous. Strength points of each unit are multiplied by Firepower, Anti Tank, and Morale factors. This is the deep end of the simulationist games and will reward deep study while being fun to maneuvre your own plans.

Yom Kippur Has much of the grit removed and is a very smooth playing game of the same situation. I recommend the SCS series to gamers of all stripes.

A Somewhat companion game of the SCS series for the Syrian front is Heights of Courage and play reflects the different nature of the war there.

Although I prefer operational sims, most of my experience gaming the many Arab-Israeli Wars has actually been Tactical, beginning with The Arab-Israeli Wars. I could go on further, but I wish to stay within your boundaries. (WINSPMBT the Steel Panthers Modern Era computer game gets a major shout out from me for the tactical side.)

I will enjoy and anticipate recommendations from others as to which game will fill your requests.
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I remember liking Sinai for a fairly light treatment.


One very interesting choice is the (mostly hypothetical) Flashpoint: Golan.
It was way too reactive and decision intensive for my tastes, but
it sports a system which was designed to highlight the command
cycle in modern (well 80's era) warfare.
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High on the complexity scale, but with many virtues, is Flashpoint: Golan. Comes up on eBay every so often and appears to run about $50 for a punched copy. Of course, it's a twenty-five year old game modeling a war that didn't happen twenty years ago.
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calandale wrote:
I remember liking Sinai for a fairly light treatment.


One very interesting choice is the (mostly hypothetical) Flashpoint: Golan.
It was way too reactive and decision intensive for my tastes, but
it sports a system which was designed to highlight the command
cycle in modern (well 80's era) warfare.


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None of the existing ones are good enough for me to recommend. MMP has an upcoming BCS game on the Yom Kippur War (both fronts) which will have the best order of battle. Unlike Bar-Lev: The 1973 Arab-Israeli War and the SCS games, it uses a consistent scale so the Sinai front is a 3-mapper. See Carl Fung's blog for the details.
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The SCS cousins, Yom Kippur and Heights of Courage would be my choice, hands down. No fuss, no muss, just nice operational goodness in the Middle East. Note that these games, while covering different fronts of the same conflict, are at somewhat different timescales and while they can be played side by side they don't actually link together.
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Curious, but were sparked by Trump’s move of the US Embassy to Jerualsaem?

I am. I’ve put Heights of Courage on my next to but list since it seems simple, playable, and not bery interactove which should make for good PBEM. Of course the SCS series is well regarded. That’s just my $0.0167 US
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I’ve played FAB: Golan '73 twice and think it’s a very good game. Tense situation and a see-saw where both players get to attack. And if you learn the game system you can play several other games easily.
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dakotajonmac wrote:
Help, I need an opinion. What is the best operational-level Arab-Israeli conflict game out. Got Christmas $$$!!!


After getting one of these games listed, if you have a little left over, check this out:



Across Suez covers the Battle of Chinese Farm (1973). It is an old Mark Herman design. I had a lot of fun with it. It has about 4 pages of rules and plays in a couple of hours. You can get it on the BGG Marketplace for $20-25. You might be able to work a trade and pay about $10 shipping.
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I want to thank you all for your suggestions. I looked at Multi Man Publishing and there was nothing mentioned about the upcoming game on this subject. I welcome more suggestions. At one time I owned the original "Bar-Lev", "Arab-Israeli Wars", "Across Suez" and about 200 other games, but lost all, along with my house in 1998 in a flood. Have been replacing some over the years, but getting to the age where I'll never get them all played before I check out. So I'm trying to be very selective about what I buy.
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I'm a huge fan of the FAB system, and Golan is as good or better than any of them.
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My favorite game in the 73 Arab Israeli War is Bar-Lev: The 1973 Arab-Israeli War.

It has a pretty simple but elegant design using the optional infantry defensive fire rules (air rules are a bit of a mess).

One of the few games that I literally ‘played to death’. The other two games where Rise and Decline of the Third Reich and The Russian Campaign so some pretty good company.
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dakotajonmac wrote:
I want to thank you all for your suggestions. I looked at Multi Man Publishing and there was nothing mentioned about the upcoming game on this subject. I welcome more suggestions. At one time I owned the original "Bar-Lev", "Arab-Israeli Wars", "Across Suez" and about 200 other games, but lost all, along with my house in 1998 in a flood. Have been replacing some over the years, but getting to the age where I'll never get them all played before I check out. So I'm trying to be very selective about what I buy.


My Yom Kippur War game is not officially in the MMP game page or queue yet. The game design is completed and submitted to Dean Essig but is waiting behind other projects.
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My Yom Kippur War game is not officially in the MMP game page or queue yet. The game design is completed and submitted to Dean Essig but is waiting behind other projects.


Wait, you're telling me we missed out on Yom Kippur for OCS?! Nooooooooooo! cry
 
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calvinboy24 wrote:
My Yom Kippur War game is not officially in the MMP game page or queue yet. The game design is completed and submitted to Dean Essig but is waiting behind other projects.


Wait, you're telling me we missed out on Yom Kippur for OCS?! Nooooooooooo! cry


I think Carl's game is BCS not OCS and it hasn't gotten to the preorder stage yet.
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OCS Yom Kippur would take six turns; not the best scale. BCS is better.
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I've played the two SCS, ATO's No Middle Ground and FAB: Golan. I love the last one best.



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M St wrote:
OCS Yom Kippur would take six turns; not the best scale. BCS is better.


Precisely. There's more oodles of detail that come out at Battalion scale than any bastardization of the OCS scale to make Yom Kippur fit.

I mean, if Golan Front can be done at 1mi/scale in several games, why can't the Sinai Front? Think of it as a step up of Suez '73 only covering the entire war.
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Thank you, I look forward to it being published.
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