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I was wondering what (if any) games have been made by America's enemies? I am talking about America's enemies in wars from 1776 to the present. I am talking about designers and/or game companies.

I seem to remember a Japanese company made a bunch of games. Were there any about WW2?

1. What such games have been made?

2. Do they have a different tone than those made in the USA?

3. Are their any surprising omissions or additions to the rules in the game that aren't found in USA games of the same topic?
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There are many many many games made in the UK, in Canada, in Germany, in Spain, in Japan, in Italy, in Russia etc.

Could you be more specific? What type of comments are you looking for? Are you specifically looking for games about wars in which the other country was fighting the USA?
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Fire in the Sky: The Great Pacific War 1941-1945 - designed by a Japanese chap.
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Iron Fists of Our Fathers: Korean War

Iron Fists of Our Fathers II: Battle of Laocai

Chinese games about the Korean War and the Sino-Vietnamese misunderstanding.
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Mr. Madison's War: The Incredible War of 1812 about the war of 1812 seems to have a Canadian designer.
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Mr. Madison's War: The Incredible War of 1812 was designed by a Canadian. I guess you can see the influence of that in the game's focus on the struggle over the Great Lakes region.

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Santiago 1898 by Spanish editor Soldados y Estrategia
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rubberchicken wrote:
There are many many many games made in the UK, in Canada, in Germany, in Spain, in Japan, in Italy, in Russia etc.

Could you be more specific? What type of comments are you looking for? Are you specifically looking for games about wars in which the other country was fighting the USA?


Yes. Thank you for clarifying this.
 
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None of the titles listed were designed or published by "America's enemies."

So the answer would be No.
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CountDeMoney wrote:
None of the titles listed were designed or published by "America's enemies."

So the answer would be No.


O.K., America's past enemies.

I just remembered one: The Folgore expansion to Up Front. It was done in response to Avalon Hill's Desert War. The Italian designer thought the Italians were short changed. It actually works if you simply consider them Elite Italian troops (which they were.)
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huskerdude wrote:
CountDeMoney wrote:
None of the titles listed were designed or published by "America's enemies."

So the answer would be No.


O.K., America's past enemies.

I just remembered one: The Folgore expansion to Up Front. It was done in response to Avalon Hill's Desert War. The Italian designer thought the Italians were short changed. It actually works if you simply consider them Elite Italian troops (which they were.)


I used to know the designer quite well. He referred to it as an “alternative depiction” of the Italians. That’s all. They are certainly more fun to play.
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In response to the original question, there are a lot of Japanese wargames on the Pacific theater of World War II. In fact as far as I know this is the most popular topic in Japanese hobby wargaming, though maybe this is a function of which games get presented to Americans. I have played some of these games and did not perceive them as being particularly different from games on the same topic designed by Americans.

This is probably not what the author had in mind, but some games on the American Civil War or its battles strike me as being more strongly influenced by Northern or Southern views.
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Here's an interesting thread discussing some Soviet board games produced between the world wars.
I wouldn't be surprised if there were some Soviet wargames from the 50's-80's out there. But if they do exist, much less likely any these were translated/produced in English, so it's hard to find traces on-line. I would be very interested in what perspectives a Russian game designer may take for a COIN-style game about Cuba or Afghanistan, particularly one that is pro-Soviet era. Or even better, what perspectives we might see from a Cuban or Afghani game designer.

Here's an interesting thread discussing the lack of wargames produced in China.

Whenever I read a history book, I am usually very aware of the thesis/world view/bias that that particular author brings to how they depict past events. It's definitely harder for me when I play a hex-and-counter or CDG game to sense the thesis/world view/bias of the game designer, perhaps because of the blanket of abstraction and gamefication that is laid over the history.

I really enjoy the Grizzled, not that it takes the view/bias of the enemies but that it emphasizes more the non-combat aspects of conflicts, and which I feel are aspects more easily molded by the designer's world view. Kolejka and Raid on Taihoku are 2 others I want to try. My friend has This War of Mine: The Board Game, so I'm sure I will try it, but by not attempting to simulate a specific place, I am less interested. I would particularly like to see more of these types of games from designers that perhaps disagree with the dominant US view on various conflicts or have different world views.
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