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Andre
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/31/words-fail-t...

Interesting article that does not underestimate Trumps success as an orator, capable of stirring emotions, and delivering a message that people understand, DESPITE being fairly incoherent on the textual page.

Some tidbits;

He is routinely mocked as incoherent, yet gets his message across to supporters clear as day.Philip Roth has declared that Trump “speaks jerkish”, while Columbia University professor of linguistics John McWhorter calls his speech “oddly adolescent”.Others see it as one of the reasons he got elected.

“People were drawn to his unorthodox style and his strong masculine leadership,” said Du Mez, who is currently writing a book on evangelicals, masculinity and the rise of Donald Trump. “There’s been a hunger for that aggressive style of leadership, and a belief that a more calm and calculating foreign policy hasn’t gotten us very far.”Since taking office Trump has adhered to the male chauvinist rhetoric that helped him get elected, speaking boldly and brashly, often to the point of recklessness.

The way he speaks is one of the best indications of such masculine bravado: if Barack Obama spoke in poetry, Trump speaks in grunts. He is all confidence and bluster, something apparent both in how he delivers information and how he takes it in.

He is typically most effective as an oral communicator, memorably stirring up passionate rallies on the campaign trail and dominating presidential debates despite a paucity of knowledge and ideas.

“It would be a mistake to underestimate his considerable effectiveness as a public speaker,” Liberman wrote on his site Language Log in 2015, “even if he doesn’t speak in conventionally coherent textual paragraphs”.

He also, Lakoff has written previously, uses the time-tested tricks of a salesman to tap into people’s unconscious through mechanisms like repetition, framing and verbal intensifiers. For instance, he notes, Trump’s false statements are often made to sound more trustworthy with the addition of emphatic adverbs or the insertion of qualifiers like, “Believe me,” which suggests he has personal experience or an inside perspective he’s bringing to bear.

In a side-by-side comparison with remarks from Steve Bannon, Liberman found “umms” and “uh” constituted 30 of 367 words spoken by Bannon – more than 8% of his total word count. For Trump, by contrast, in two different selections, 1,604 words in all, the final total of “umms” and “uhs” was zero.

And his language, as Greg Pullum, a linguist at University of Edinburgh who co-writes Language Log with Liberman, put it to the Guardian, “is simply not anchored to any approximation to the truth”.While such illogical flitting around may make him seem stupid, it has the political benefits of making him harder to pin down or hold accountable. As Du Mez told the Guardian, “Trump seems to have worked out a whole different standard of truth.”

Should he be given more credit that he is getting, for being an effective orator, whether you agree with what he is saying or not?
 
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Hell, everyone should know he's the Best... Orator... EVAH!!!!!! Just ask him.

(Then, ask him to define "orator"... silence is golden...)
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Of course he is. He has the best words.
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that's an awful lot of words to say "assholes like it when you talk asshole to them"
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There are two main paths that make powerful orators.

The first involves cultivating a powerful drive and devotion to a cause within yourself. The strength of soul and purpose will infuse your words and presentations. People are naturally drawn to those who speak with purpose and conviction.

The second involves cultivating an absence of spirit. The destruction of self leaves a perfectly hollow shell that listeners can fill up with their own image. People will naturally fill in such a pure vacuum with what they want to hear and believe, which will in turn appeal to them.

Guess which path Trump follows?
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Shadrach wrote:
There are two main paths that make powerful orators.

The first involves cultivating a powerful drive and devotion to a cause within yourself. The strength of soul and purpose will infuse your words and presentations. People are naturally drawn to those who speak with purpose and conviction.

The second involves cultivating an absence of spirit. The destruction of self leaves a perfectly hollow shell that listeners can fill up with their own image. People will naturally fill in such a pure vacuum with what they want to hear and believe, which will in turn appeal to them.

Guess which path Trump follows?


The first. Oh, no, no no, let me try again.
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abadolato01 wrote:
He is routinely mocked as incoherent, yet gets his message across to supporters clear as day.Philip Roth has declared that Trump “speaks jerkish”, while Columbia University professor of linguistics John McWhorter calls his speech “oddly adolescent”.Others see it as one of the reasons he got elected.

Recent evidence suggests that these statements are entirely consistent. Incoherent, jerkish, adolescent, and just what many voters want.
 
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"Guess which path Trump follows?"

He dedicated himself to arseholism?
 
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