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Larry Schneider
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I don't believe Stephan ever chimed in on this topic.

I'm no Latin expert but I believe the correct Latin pronunciation would be JEN-Tease. Or possibly JEN-tess.

An Americanized pronunciation must be Gen-tuss (where the Gen is pronunced like the "gain" in the word again).
 
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I don't know why we should use an American pronunciation of a Latin word.

This should be 'ghentes', like a German g.
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Hen-tess.
 
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Or the Spanish way of pronouncing it 'Guentes'. There is no English j in it. It's pronounced Ghentess where the stress is on the first syllable.
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The Spanish way of pronouncing it is Hen-tess.

Source: im a first language Spanish speaker
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Well, if you look at the Heavy Cardboard video Uli Blennemann pronounces it the way I wrote it.
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heroes182 wrote:
The Spanish way of pronouncing it is Hen-tess.

Source: im a first language Spanish speaker


This is how I hear it as well.



 
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realkingmiggi wrote:
heroes182 wrote:
The Spanish way of pronouncing it is Hen-tess.

Source: im a first language Spanish speaker


This is how I hear it as well.





Hear it the way you want. It's not the Latin pronouncation but the Spanish. It's an extinct language so who cares.
 
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We do know exactly how the Romans have spoken in that time, so why should we find an alternative way?
 
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alright, alright - we're all wrong right!

https://forvo.com/word/gente/#es

that has spanish and latin examples.

Spanish = Hentess
Latin = with a hard G like in gun.
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Pardon my ignorance, what is the Spanish connection? (If the word is Latin and Stefan is German?)
 
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Just that Spanish retains the same spelling and meaning (but not pronunciation, natch) for that word. If you speak at least a little bit of Spanish, you can’t really not read it that way.
 
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heroes182 wrote:
alright, alright - we're all wrong right!

https://forvo.com/word/gente/#es

that has spanish and latin examples.

Spanish = Hentess
Latin = with a hard G like in gun.

I don't trust that website.
 
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I don't know why we should use an American pronunciation of a Latin word.

This should be 'ghentes', like a German g.

But I believe the Latin pronounces the g like a j (as in gentlemen).
 
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Just adding to the confusion: Portuguese is also a Latin language, retaining both meaning and spelling and is pronounced Jen-tess (which is how I say it).
 
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I vote for jents. As in, "Excuse me, I have to go to the gents and take a leak"
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schnel wrote:
An Americanized pronunciation must be Gen-tuss (where the Gen is pronunced like the "gain" in the word again).


Where did you get the idea that an Americanized pronunciation would yield "gain" from Gentes???

The Americanized pronunciation is a soft G just like Genesis (which is actually derived from gentes / gēns etymologically) as noted here:
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gentes

This also happens to be how the G is pronounced in Latin:

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From "The Correct Pronunciation of Latin" by Rev Michael De Angelis (St Gregory Guild 1937)


G like C has two sounds: (a) soft like g in general, gender, or (b) hard like g in
get, go, garden, govern, etc.
It is soft before e, i, oe, ae and y.
Examples
Genus—JEH-noos (j, in these examples is given the usual English pronunciation)
: genitori—jeh-nee-TAW-ree; unigenite—oo-nee-JEH-nee-teh; regina—reh-
JEE-nah; intingit—een-TEEN-jeet.

It is hard in every other case except when followed by n. (See GN.)
Examples
Gladius—GLAH-dee-oos; gloria—GLAW-ree-ah; sanguis—SAHN-gooees; ego —EH-gaw; plaga—PLAH-gah; ergo—EHR-gaw; Gallia—GAHL-lee-ah.
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EXCELLENT!
 
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NuMystic wrote:
schnel wrote:
An Americanized pronunciation must be Gen-tuss (where the Gen is pronunced like the "gain" in the word again).


Where did you get the idea that an Americanized pronunciation would yield "gain" from Gentes???

The Americanized pronunciation is a soft G just like Genesis (which is actually derived from gentes / gēns etymologically by the way) as noted here:
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gentes

This also happens to be how the G is pronounced in Latin:

Quote:
From "The Correct Pronunciation of Latin" by Rev Michael De Angelis (St Gregory Guild 1937)


G like C has two sounds: (a) soft like g in general, gender, or (b) hard like g in
get, go, garden, govern, etc.
It is soft before e, i, oe, ae and y.
Examples
Genus—JEH-noos (j, in these examples is given the usual English pronunciation)
: genitori—jeh-nee-TAW-ree; unigenite—oo-nee-JEH-nee-teh; regina—reh-
JEE-nah; intingit—een-TEEN-jeet.

It is hard in every other case except when followed by n. (See GN.)
Examples
Gladius—GLAH-dee-oos; gloria—GLAW-ree-ah; sanguis—SAHN-gooees; ego —EH-gaw; plaga—PLAH-gah; ergo—EHR-gaw; Gallia—GAHL-lee-ah.


By "Americanized Pronunciation," I meant that if you showed this word to 100 Americans and asked them to pronounce it, the large majority would pronounce it with a hard G. Not a scientific survey, by any means, but whenever I introduce this game to other people, that's the way they initially want to pronounce it. :)
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Everyone seeing my copy said: "Jentes".
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schnel wrote:
By "Americanized Pronunciation," I meant that if you showed this word to 100 Americans and asked them to pronounce it, the large majority would pronounce it with a hard G. Not a scientific survey, by any means, but whenever I introduce this game to other people, that's the way they initially want to pronounce it.


That's surprising since no common English words begining with "gen" are pronounced with a hard G.

By contrast, not a single person I've spoken with assumed a hard G.

A few went with the Spanish H, while the vast majority used the soft G / J sound just like virtually every other English word starting with "gen". (generous, gentle, genesis, genuine, gel, gem, etc.)
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Classical Latin pronunciation always pronounces "g" as a hard sound (a velar fricative, if I remember correctly). The "e's" are short.

The confusion might come because "g" before "e" in Ecclesiastical Latin is pronounced as a "j," but unless you plan on singing about the game in church, better to go with the former.

Source: Have studied Latin for PhD

Spanish was my second language after English though, so it is impossible for me not to pronounce it as "hentes."
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chris1nd wrote:
Everyone seeing my copy said: "Jentes".
That's what I call it too (like the beginning of Gentleman followed by Tess), and why should the rest of the world really care about how I pronounce the names of my board games
 
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KissellMissile wrote:
Classical Latin pronunciation always pronounces "g" as a hard sound (a velar fricative, if I remember correctly. The "e's" are short.

The confusion might come because "g" before "e" in Ecclesiastical Latin is pronounced as a "j," but unless you plan on singing about the game in church, better to go with the former.

Source: Have studied Latin for PhD

Spanish was my second language after English though, so it is impossible for me not to pronounce it as "hentes."


Thank you, Ian!
 
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