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I saw someone post a cute fox picture on facebook



and I was like wait a minute...



It seems the fox in this game was based off a photograph of Juniper a domesticated fox!
(source: https://www.instagram.com/p/-zU0WOhG-l/)

Kind of a random post, I know, but I thought it was funny. It's not every day you recognize something from a boardgame in a random cute animal picture on the internet.
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Was the photo properly credited and/or licensed for the game? I hate to assume the worst, but improperly valuing photography is an epidemic these days.
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Aw, I heart Juniper.
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MentatYP wrote:
Was the photo properly credited and/or licensed for the game? I hate to assume the worst, but improperly valuing photography is an epidemic these days.


It's possible that the license terms are such that no credit is needed.
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Stomski wrote:
MentatYP wrote:
Was the photo properly credited and/or licensed for the game? I hate to assume the worst, but improperly valuing photography is an epidemic these days.


It's possible that the license terms are such that no credit is needed.

Right, hence the "and/or." Considering how said fox is monetized and merchandized, it'd be pretty surprising if the photo were CC0.
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tumorous wrote:
Stomski wrote:
MentatYP wrote:
Was the photo properly credited and/or licensed for the game? I hate to assume the worst, but improperly valuing photography is an epidemic these days.


It's possible that the license terms are such that no credit is needed.

Right, hence the "and/or." Considering how said fox is monetized and merchandized, it'd be pretty surprising if the photo were CC0.


Damn that fox is popular...
Makes me wonder, why is that fox living indoors, as if it's a dog?
That's another discussion, I know.

I just checked the booklet of Indian Summer, and no credits are mentioned. The 'Special Thanks' people don't seem to be related to Juniper.
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Tsaar wrote:
tumorous wrote:
Stomski wrote:
MentatYP wrote:
Was the photo properly credited and/or licensed for the game? I hate to assume the worst, but improperly valuing photography is an epidemic these days.


It's possible that the license terms are such that no credit is needed.

Right, hence the "and/or." Considering how said fox is monetized and merchandized, it'd be pretty surprising if the photo were CC0.


Damn that fox is popular...
Makes me wonder, why is that fox living indoors, as if it's a dog?
That's another discussion, I know.

I just checked the booklet of Indian Summer, and no credits are mentioned. The 'Special Thanks' people don't seem to be related to Juniper.
Domesticated foxes are descended from animals that were originally bred for their fur and have lost many of their natural instincts. Due to this breeding, they also have some dog-like behaviors.
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MentatYP wrote:
Was the photo properly credited and/or licensed for the game? I hate to assume the worst, but improperly valuing photography is an epidemic these days.


I figured either way it wouldn't hurt to let people on here know about the instagram account since I didn't see any reference to it otherwise!
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The fox in Indian Summer is drawn, isn't it? I don't think that a license is needed for a drawing of a photo as the drawing is new artwork by itself.
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Hexendoktor wrote:

The fox in Indian Summer is drawn, isn't it? I don't think that a license is needed for a drawing of a photo as the drawing is new artwork by itself.

This kind of art is known as "derivative" in copyright law, and typically the same protections apply.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derivative_work
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Hexendoktor wrote:

The fox in Indian Summer is drawn, isn't it? I don't think that a license is needed for a drawing of a photo as the drawing is new artwork by itself.


Yes, it is needed if it is nearly an exact copy of the original. Yes you can make a drawing of a photo, but if it is exactly the same as the original and easily referring the original (as this thread here shows), then it would need a permission.
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tumorous wrote:
Hexendoktor wrote:

The fox in Indian Summer is drawn, isn't it? I don't think that a license is needed for a drawing of a photo as the drawing is new artwork by itself.

This kind of art is known as "derivative" in copyright law, and typically the same protections apply.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derivative_work

And note this passage under the originality requirement section:
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For copyright protection to attach to a later, allegedly derivative work, it must display some originality of its own. It cannot be a rote, uncreative variation on the earlier, underlying work.


Though this instance is highly unlikely to ever be tested, it would almost certainly fail that originality requirement if it were.
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