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Okay, brace yourself for the stupidest question imaginable, but it's driving me crazy, so I've swallowed my shame and posted here.

I don't get the max payload chart. A Juno rocket, with a mass of 1, doing a difficulty 2 maneuver... Thrust = 2 x 1, which is 2. By my reckoning that leaves 2 thrust left for payload out of the original 4. But the max payload mass chart says a Juno can only take 1 mass on a maneuver difficulty of 2. What am I missing? It seems like the chart sutracts the rocket's mass twice.

Guess I'm just not a rocket scientist. Yet.
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delswit wrote:
Okay, brace yourself for the stupidest question imaginable, but it's driving me crazy, so I've swallowed my shame and posted here.

I don't get the max payload chart. A Juno rocket, with a mass of 1, doing a difficulty 2 maneuver... Thrust = 2 x 1, which is 2. By my reckoning that leaves 2 thrust left for payload out of the original 4. But the max payload mass chart says a Juno can only take 1 mass on a maneuver difficulty of 2. What am I missing? It seems like the chart sutracts the rocket's mass twice.

Guess I'm just not a rocket scientist. Yet.


You are right if the rocket is flying by itself. Now, add a 1 weight payload to the rocket. Total weight is 2. A difficulty 2 maneuver with a weight of 2 means you need 4 thrust, which is what one Juno provides.

If you have a Juno carrying a 3 weight payload, and do a 1 difficulty maneuver, total weight is 4 x1 difficulty means you need 4 thrust, what the Juno provides.

Make sense?
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Juno mass 1 + Payload mass 2 = Total mass 3

3 x 2 = 6

ie 1 Juno can't push itself + 2 payload
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delswit wrote:
Okay, brace yourself for the stupidest question imaginable, but it's driving me crazy, so I've swallowed my shame and posted here.

I don't get the max payload chart. A Juno rocket, with a mass of 1, doing a difficulty 2 maneuver... Thrust = 2 x 1, which is 2. By my reckoning that leaves 2 thrust left for payload out of the original 4. But the max payload mass chart says a Juno can only take 1 mass on a maneuver difficulty of 2. What am I missing? It seems like the chart sutracts the rocket's mass twice.

Guess I'm just not a rocket scientist. Yet.


It isn't subtracting the rocket's mass twice, it is subtracting the payload's mass x2 because it is a difficulty 2 maneuver. The maneuver difficulty multiplies the total mass, both payload and rocket, not just the rocket.
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delswit wrote:
By my reckoning that leaves 2 thrust left for payload out of the original 4.
So far right, after covering its own mass the Juno supplies a surplus of two thrust. Here's the trick: next divide the surplus by the difficulty to get the payload mass.
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Ah! The lightbulb just went off. Thanks very much!
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