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Alexander Hallberg
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I've just tried the JR-version of Kremlin today and had a hell of a ride. Many things where confusing and after reading the re-written rules and a lof of the other threads here it's safe to say that I am going to have a whole (better) other experience the next time I play. For one we didn't get the betting part of the game, so everybody simply revealed their number or didn't reveal at all, making a lot of the IP's placement useless since everyone maxed directly or didn't reveal at all.

Either way, I have two questions both related to the modern verion:
1. If player A has allocated 7 IP’s to a character which is then sent to siberia he loses all his influence, but what happens to all the other players? Say that player B had allocated 6 IP’s. Does player B keep their influence and thereby controls the party member when (if) he is rehabilitated from Siberia?

2. May the subject of a trial participate in a vote? It doesn't say in the rules.

3. In the funeral phase, if the position for foreign minister is empty due death or sibera, who nominates then? We played it as if the KBG-minister had to nominate the defense minister. If KBG also were vacant, would Defense minister become PC automatically?

Thank you in advance for answeres
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wingate32 wrote:

1. If player A has allocated 7 IP’s to a character which is then sent to siberia he loses all his influence, but what happens to all the other players? Say that player B had allocated 6 IP’s. Does player B keep their influence and thereby controls the party member when (if) he is rehabilitated from Siberia?


Yes. In Modern, only the person with the controlling IP loses it when a politician is sent to Siberia.

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2. May the subject of a trial participate in a vote? It doesn't say in the rules.


Yes. This is why, in most cases, it's best to only hold trials when people are at the Santatorium.

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3. In the funeral phase, if the position for foreign minister is empty due death or sibera, who nominates then? We played it as if the KBG-minister had to nominate the defense minister. If KBG also were vacant, would Defense minister become PC automatically?


If the Foreign Officer is absent it goes to the Ideology Minister, then to the KGB, Industry, Economy, Sport, Defence. It that order.

If nobody is available from the first level (and a politician can't nominate themselves) then in that specific situation a Politician from the second level can be norminated.
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Abiezer Coppe wrote:
wingate32 wrote:

1. If player A has allocated 7 IP’s to a character which is then sent to siberia he loses all his influence, but what happens to all the other players? Say that player B had allocated 6 IP’s. Does player B keep their influence and thereby controls the party member when (if) he is rehabilitated from Siberia?


Yes. In Modern, only the person with the controlling IP loses it when a politician is sent to Siberia.

But only those IP which have been declared to that point.
E.g. if you have 9 recorded but have only declared 6 at the time s/he goes to Siberia you lose only 6. Change your sheet to show that you have 3 left.

Abiezer Coppe wrote:

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2. May the subject of a trial participate in a vote? It doesn't say in the rules.


Yes. This is why, in most cases, it's best to only hold trials when people are at the Santatorium.

Implication here is that you cannot participate in any vote if you're in the sanatorium (just in case you weren't aware of that).

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3. In the funeral phase, if the position for foreign minister is empty due death or sibera, who nominates then? We played it as if the KBG-minister had to nominate the defense minister. If KBG also were vacant, would Defense minister become PC automatically?


If the Foreign Officer is absent it goes to the Ideology Minister, then to the KGB, Industry, Economy, Sport, Defence. It that order.

If nobody is available from the first level (and a politician can't nominate themselves) then in that specific situation a Politician from the second level can be norminated.


Note the Alpha-numerics next to each post. These give you the order in the event that the politician responsible for a particular action in any phase is not able to fulfill his/her duties. In the case of the nominations (phase 5), you can see a 5A beside the Ideology Chief, indicating that s/he is the first one up to take on that job if the Foreign Minister can not; 5B beside the KGB head, etc.

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To add another layer.... it's important to know what the politicians with no influence do when it comes to voting. I believe all published versions including AH's expansion did feature all three possibilities. Politicians with no influence either simply don't vote or they always vote in favor of the subject or they always vote in detriment of the subject. I play that they simply don't cast a vote.

 
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In AH's version, they will vote to protect their own hide.
In all other cases, they don't vote.


 
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In the modern version, all politicans without influence vote "innocent", which really made it hard for us to send anyone to sibera because there where constantly unclaimed politicans in the politburo.

Thank you for all the answers, it really clears up the game. We really misunderstood the IP-system and treated it more like bidding from, say, El grande where you are all or nothing.
 
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wingate32 wrote:
In the modern version, all politicans without influence vote "innocent", which really made it hard for us to send anyone to sibera because there where constantly unclaimed politicans in the politburo.


Ignore that rule. House rule so that politicians only vote in favour of their own innocence and otherwise abstain.

Otherwise, as you say, it makes trials almost useless.

(It's worth mentioning to people who are more used to modern games that Kremlin is pretty modular when it comes to house rulings. I don't know any experienced players who haven't house ruled it at least a bit. In fact, you could say that much of the Jolly Roger version is a collection of someone's house rules).
 
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