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I just recently purchased Avalon for my brother over Xmas. We played it right away and the whole family enjoyed it and loved the mechanics. The question is, do I purchase my own copy of Avalon for myself or purchase something different like Secret Hitler. What is everybody's opinion? I'm not sure how Secret Hitler's gameplay/mechanics compares to Avalon. I know it's relatively similar. Typically our gaming group tends to stay between 5-7 players. I'm also looking into purchasing Coup. I'm hoping for some ensight on social deduction games but I don't want to own both Avalon and Secret Hitler. Thank you for your help!

Also, my group loves games with some strategy/deeper thought involved. Not a huge fan of luck/"party games." Puerto Rico and Citadels are our favorites. I realize they are in a different category than Avalon and SH.
 
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From my experience, I feel like Avalon creates more dynamic opportunities for deception and intrigue. I've heard everything by way of logic and not-so logical arguments in Avalon. Things can get pretty complicated, real fast, and that's awesome.

But in Secret Hitler, I didn't get that. After playing it a dozen or so times, I realized that every game resulted in the same debate:

"He only gave me bad cards to choose from! I had no choice!"...

"No I didn't, he's lying!" or "Well I only drew bad cards, I had no choice either!"

And that same things happens every game. I was tires of it after just a handful of plays.
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I'm also interested in picking up a game in this genre for playing when a biggish group of friends (6+) comes together.

If people have any tips about how to choose between all of them I'd be interested. Do some suit different player counts of play styles better? Are they really any better than old fashioned werewolf or mafia? Has anyone played Secrets yet?

Ps. Sorry for crashing this thread.. I can start my own if you'd prefer.

 
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I prefer Avalon over old-fashioned werewolf and mafia, because in those games, there is player elimination. The eliminated players have to just sit silently and watch. Avalon removes this problem, using a voting system that keeps everybody in the game and--if they play well--holding a valid voice right up until the final vote is cast.
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+1 The Resistance: Avalon
-1 Secret Hitler, Werewolf

For the reasons mentioned.
 
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++++1 for The Resistance: Avalon and (Vanilla) The Resistance

If you’re looking to add an additional social deduction that plays wells for your group number:
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Awesome! Thank you for the help. It looks like I won't waste my time with SH. Maybe just do the print and play to find out. I'll be purchasing Avalon.
 
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I would add the One Night Ultimate series (Werewolf, Daybreak, Alien and Vampire) to the suggestion mix. You have a certain number of roles (depending upon the player count) in play w/ some random ones on the table, everyone takes their actions and then you have to try and figure out who various people are (depending upon the specific version of the game you are playing and the roles in play).

It does certainly depend upon the group you are playing w/ though. For the group that introduced it to me they would all jump in right away and start making accusation about who did what and who the "bad guys" were. In the second group though it was like pulling teeth trying to get them to say anything or figure anything out.
 
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fh13 wrote:
I would add the One Night Ultimate series (Werewolf, Daybreak, Alien and Vampire) to the suggestion mix. You have a certain number of roles (depending upon the player count) in play w/ some random ones on the table, everyone takes their actions and then you have to try and figure out who various people are (depending upon the specific version of the game you are playing and the roles in play).

It does certainly depend upon the group you are playing w/ though. For the group that introduced it to me they would all jump in right away and start making accusation about who did what and who the "bad guys" were. In the second group though it was like pulling teeth trying to get them to say anything or figure anything out.


Thank you for your suggestion. Although, I never was a fan of the ultimate vampire game. Too much confusion and movement. I believe simple is better in this game genre. I ended up selling vampires a few days ago due to this issue. Also, in the resistance, you feel more accomplished and satisfied if your team wins. I like that!
 
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+1 for Deception: Murder in Hong Kong you should also know that the expansion is in the works/coming out soon. Deception: Undercover Allies

That is my favorite hidden role game that relies on more than just finger pointing and accusations.

The Resistance: Avalon is good but sometimes more is needed for my group when it comes to staying power. I found that Shadow Hunters is more of what my group likes. I suggest you keep researching and find what fits your groups play style.

Happy hunting!
 
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Oh! one more suggestion: Werewords is a very good filler game of this type. You do need the free app to play it but it has the same feeling as a light werewolf game without getting into the sameness of One Night - in my opinion.
 
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Thanks Ben, I will look into those.
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if I'm Andy, is Zack April? seems right...
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I'd suggest Salem. Its like the resistance or avalon but seldom dissolves into my friends just yelling at each other. Actually, its our favorite game for bigger game nights!


Secret Hitler is interesting but I'd prefer to play the Secret Voldemort (found in the PnP forums here). Less Nazis and more wizards thumbsup
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I have to agree with the others: The Resistance: Avalon is simply better.
 
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+1 Deception: Murder in Hong Kong

I played this one recently and it was fantastic.
 
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To play devil's advocate, Secret Hitler is a great game, and perhaps an equal to Resistance. The Presidential powers aspect adds a pretty neat layer to the game.

I own both and will continue to own both. However if your group is 5-7 people mostly, the general consensus is Resistance is best at 6-8, SH is best at 7-10. When Resistance climbs in player count it's REALLY difficult to keep things in order and the spies win most games, I find.
 
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