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I've seen several people state that Will Wheaton is leaving Tabletop.

Is this true? Why?

And does he own the Tabletop brand? Could someone else pick it up?
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Bongo_clive wrote:
I've seen several people state that Will Wheaton is leaving Tabletop.

Is this true? Why?

And does he own the Tabletop brand? Could someone else pick it up?


Don't know. Burnout. Nope, GeekNSundry got bought up by a big media company two-years or so back.
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Geek & Sundry was bought out by Legendary Entertainment between seasons 3 & 4. They decided to put Tabletop only on their new pay streaming channel called Alpha. Episodes were released much later on YouTube. You can hear some of Wil's feelings on what happened on
Wil's stream of self-consciousness from his YouTube channel.

A lot more is discussed at here: Tabletop Season 5?
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Good. Not having tabletop (or at least with a less irritating host) is better for the hobby anyway.
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I've no issues with Wil, I think Tabletop has done a lot for the hobby. Nice guy in person as well.

The decision to move it behind a paywall pretty much killed it though. I've never even bothered to look them up when they became available on YouTube.
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Tzer wrote:
Good. Not having tabletop (or at least with a less irritating host) is better for the hobby anyway.


A channel which has over a million viewers for some of its episodes is bad for the hobby?
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Good. Not having tabletop (or at least with a less irritating host) is better for the hobby anyway.


A channel which has over a million viewers for some of its episodes is bad for the hobby?


I'm going to guess it's the wrong sort of crowd viewing the channel.
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Good. Not having tabletop (or at least with a less irritating host) is better for the hobby anyway.


Honestly I don't get the hate on Tabletop or Will... personally I got into the hobby thanks to Tabletop.

I think it reaches a bigger casual crowd and exposes the fun on boardgames... for many, as I said myself included, is the first steps into a bigger world.

How can that be bad for the hobby?
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Nothing like a little morning gatekeeping.

I wouldn't want those people enjoying what I enjoy. How would I be able to enjoy it anymore?
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johnnybbgfan wrote:
Geek & Sundry was bought out by Legendary Entertainment between seasons 3 & 4. They decided to put Tabletop only on their new pay streaming channel called Alpha. Episodes were released much later on YouTube. You can hear some of Wil's feelings on what happened on
Wil's stream of self-consciousness from his YouTube channel.

A lot more is discussed at here: Tabletop Season 5?


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Damn, he's not happy.

What did his friend do to destroy the show?
 
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Also, the new host???

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More people playing games = more opportunities to play games = a good thing

However this happens I'm good with it. Clique protectionism can go hang.

Wil does get a lot of crap, either because he comes across as trying too hard and having fake fun (aka how anyone would look playing 15 games in three days on a TV Set) or because he's opinionated and doesn't hesitate to express these opinions even in a supposedly game related show.

Other than these things he is no more or less irritating than any other show presenter. I like him, but I can also understand how putting a monologue about how spiritualists are all charlatans at the top of your show about a board game could be jarring - whether or not I personally agree with him.

Tabletop is far from perfect. The show fizzled for me in the last couple of seasons because their choice of games seemed to really fail on several levels. I don't think the presenter is the main problem.
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Screw the haters. I think with this Will Wheaton has managed to redeem both Wesley Crusher *and* his Big Bang Theory cameos. And that's saying something.

His loss will be felt.
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Screw the haters. I think with this Will Wheaton has managed to redeem both Wesley Crusher *and* his Big Bang Theory cameos. And that's saying something.

His loss will be felt.


Agreed, I've enjoyed many of his episodes even when they covered games I'm not interested in, and the show has kept board games on some of my friends' minds even when I didn't feel like hassling them about it.

It's something to say when a filthy casual brings up a board game they've seen on a show they've watched on their own accord (Which has happened with different people, both friends who only know board gaming through me as well as students when they hear that I'm into board games), I can't for the life of me figure out how broadening our community is a bad thing.
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It's something to say when a filthy casual...


"Filthy casual" ... that put a smile on my face today

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crazybyzantine wrote:
Flamin_Jesus wrote:
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It's something to say when a filthy casual...


"Filthy casual" ... that put a smile on my face today



Gotta keep the rubes in their place, right?
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Tzer wrote:
Good. Not having tabletop (or at least with a less irritating host) is better for the hobby anyway.

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*Outward Elitist attitudes are what’s bad for the hobby.
Let people like what they like as long as they’re not hurting others.

Edit: Added "outward". I dislike a fair share of mainstream-popular games but I really try to keep it to myself, and I even end up playing them still sometimes with new gamers who ask me to.
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boardgamesdotEXE wrote:
Tzer wrote:
Good. Not having tabletop (or at least with a less irritating host) is better for the hobby anyway.

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Elitist attitudes are what’s bad for the hobby.
Let people like what they like as long as they’re not hurting others.

I'm an elitist but I agree with you.

There are lots of things I sneer at (party games, filler games, any games which involves lots of grins and chuckles, I like my games grim and painful) but I don't think they're bad for the hobby. Some people who play party games that I sneer at end up playing heavier games that I enjoy. It's all good.

I also don't get the Wil Wheaton hate. Ok, so he grates on you, fine, whatever. I don't exactly love his delivery but I like that he's covering games and bringing them to a wider audience. Unless he was doing something actually harmful, like lighting copies of Agricola on fire and dancing around them, I'm fine with him. It's all games, it's all good.
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I don't know why anyone cares enough for it to matter.

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Unless he was doing something actually harmful, like lighting copies of Agricola on fire and dancing around them, I'm fine with him. It's all games, it's all good.


I had been looking for something to do this weekend. Now I've found it!
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johnnybbgfan wrote:
Geek & Sundry was bought out by Legendary Entertainment between seasons 3 & 4. They decided to put Tabletop only on their new pay streaming channel called Alpha. Episodes were released much later on YouTube. You can hear some of Wil's feelings on what happened on
Wil's stream of self-consciousness from his YouTube channel.

A lot more is discussed at here: Tabletop Season 5?


A genuinely touching video. I hope he finds a way to continue making media for board games, because I'll happily continue watching/reading it.
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I don't know why anyone cares enough for it to matter.

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Unless he was doing something actually harmful, like lighting copies of Agricola on fire and dancing around them, I'm fine with him. It's all games, it's all good.


I had been looking for something to do this weekend. Now I've found it!

Monster.
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skutsch wrote:
boardgamesdotEXE wrote:
Tzer wrote:
Good. Not having tabletop (or at least with a less irritating host) is better for the hobby anyway.

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Elitist attitudes are what’s bad for the hobby.
Let people like what they like as long as they’re not hurting others.

I'm an elitist but I agree with you.

There are lots of things I sneer at (party games, filler games, any games which involves lots of grins and chuckles, I like my games grim and painful) but I don't think they're bad for the hobby. Some people who play party games that I sneer at end up playing heavier games that I enjoy. It's all good.

I also don't get the Wil Wheaton hate. Ok, so he grates on you, fine, whatever. I don't exactly love his delivery but I like that he's covering games and bringing them to a wider audience. Unless he was doing something actually harmful, like lighting copies of Agricola on fire and dancing around them, I'm fine with him. It's all games, it's all good.

Okay, to expound a bit further - I'm certainly an elitist too, but I keep it to myself, at least in person and I try to not discuss my strongest dislikes on BGG unless the thread is asking. I think that's the key.

I'm a hater of the normal checklist too; Monopoly, CAH, Munchkin, Exploding Kittens, Catan, etc. etc. but if someone brand new to board games asked me to play them, I still would. Heck, I have friends who love games like Scythe, Caverna, and Acquire that still end up buying games like Pick Your Poison (not a game) and Pretending To Grownup (strategy is to draw well). I end up playing them and not telling them that I hated every minute of it, because ... well, that's rude. And it allows me to follow up with "if you like that you might like <game with actual strategy involved>" and it gets them further into the hobby.

And on the subject, I always thought Tabletop had a decent selection of games. Not amazing games or games I would pick myself, but it's not like they played a party game every episode. They played a lot of your standard gateway titles, which is a great way to get new people interested in the hobby.
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boardgamesdotEXE wrote:
skutsch wrote:
boardgamesdotEXE wrote:
Tzer wrote:
Good. Not having tabletop (or at least with a less irritating host) is better for the hobby anyway.

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Elitist attitudes are what’s bad for the hobby.
Let people like what they like as long as they’re not hurting others.

I'm an elitist but I agree with you.

There are lots of things I sneer at (party games, filler games, any games which involves lots of grins and chuckles, I like my games grim and painful) but I don't think they're bad for the hobby. Some people who play party games that I sneer at end up playing heavier games that I enjoy. It's all good.

I also don't get the Wil Wheaton hate. Ok, so he grates on you, fine, whatever. I don't exactly love his delivery but I like that he's covering games and bringing them to a wider audience. Unless he was doing something actually harmful, like lighting copies of Agricola on fire and dancing around them, I'm fine with him. It's all games, it's all good.

Okay, to expound a bit further - I'm certainly an elitist too, but I keep it to myself. I think that's the key. I'm a hater of the normal checklist too; Monopoly, CAH, Munchkin, Exploding Kittens, Catan, etc. etc. but if someone brand new to board games asked me to play them, I still would. Heck, I have friends who love games like Scythe, Caverna, and Acquire that still end up buying games like Pick Your Poison (not a game) and Pretending To Grownup (strategy is to draw well). I end up playing them and not telling them that I hated every minute of it, because ... well, that's rude. And it allows me to follow up with "if you like that you might like <game with actual strategy involved>" and it gets them further into the hobby.

And on the subject, I always thought Tabletop had a decent selection of games. Not amazing games or games I would pick myself, but it's not like they played a party game every episode. They played a lot of your standard gateway titles, which is a great way to get new people interested in the hobby.


I mean, I'm enough of an elitist to just decline playing games that are just going to piss me off, but one way or the other, he pretty much never promoted terrible games, it's not like he used his platform to tell people how awesome Monopoly is.
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Ipropose a new rule where if you use "filthy casual" or phrases with similar meaning unironically, you should be banned from the hobby for good of everyone.
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Tabletop was good for the hobby, and allowed me to forgive him for Wesley. However, nothing he does will absolve him for spelling his name Wil, with only one L.
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