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Guillaume Rivest
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Hi all,

Is the 1st information token that is given to the Shadow players during setup revealed or kept facedown on the Black Riders card? It just mentions to give the token to the Shadow players but doesn't mention if they're supposed to look at it or not... We assumed they can, thus eliminating that possibility on the map for the Shadow players, but I'd like a more official answer.

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It is not secret.
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Krieghund wrote:
It is not secret.


This question came up last night when we played and we could not find it in the rules. Could you be so kind as to point me to a page reference?

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On page 9, the Rulebook says:
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Draw randomly five Information tokens and look at them secretly. Then, choose one token and give it to the Ringwraith players. Keep the remaining tokens behind the screen, on the appropriate space on the Journey log. Return the remaining tokens to the box, without showing them to the Ringwraith players.


It is explicitly stated that the drawn tokens and those returned to the box are kept secret, but it is not stated that the token given to the Ringwraiths player is secret. It stands to reason that if the intent were that a token placed in the possession of a player were to be secret, that would also be explicitly stated. However, the intent is simply that the Ringwraith players be unaware which tokens the Ring-bearer player still has versus which were returned to the box.
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With the rules being vague on this issue I used the visual clue on the Black Riders card to determine wether the token is faceup or facedown. The card shows the tokens with their backs face up
 
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That doesn't really prove anything. The back is the "generic" side, where all of them are the same, so it makes sense to show that side on the card. Otherwise, people would think they need a specific location to unlock a specific ability.
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Krieghund wrote:
It is explicitly stated that the drawn tokens and those returned to the box are kept secret, but it is not stated that the token given to the Ringwraiths player is secret. It stands to reason that if the intent were that a token placed in the possession of a player were to be secret, that would also be explicitly stated. However, the intent is simply that the Ringwraith players be unaware which tokens the Ring-bearer player still has versus which were returned to the box.


Minor Question regarding the Information Tokens, is/are the Shadow Player(s) allowed to know all locations? What i mean is, is he allowed to know all 12 Numbers on the Information Tokens?
 
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The numbers on the tokens are the numbers of the Ally locations, excluding the Frodo Starting locations. This is not secret.

What the Ringwraith players may not know is exactly which tokens were drawn by the Ring-bearer player and which ones were returned to the game box.
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