Are VP stolen through Hostage, Oni of Spite, etc., considered "gained" for the purposes of Loyalty? I ask because the rules and card text of other circumstances for earning VP use the term "gain" but stealing does not.
If stealing does trigger Loyalty, I assume you'd just earn the bonus, and not steal an additional point from the other player, right?
Reviving old thread and hoping for an official rulling on this.
Does "steal points" trigger "gain points" effects. This has come up in a couple of games for us already and we have ruled it that Loyalty does not trigger that way. Our ruling was definately subjective because the first time it happened it was Dragonhawk with Lowest honor, Oni of Spite and Fujin. That combo was providing tons of point even without Loyalty so we figured adding Loyalty would be too strong. Official rules are definatelly not clear, FAQ mentions loyalty with rightousness, sepuku and poets but makes no mention of hostage.If we can get an ruling it would be greatly appreciated.