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Boris JOSEPH
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Hello, I am looking for one of those (Vinhos or Madeira) to play with my wife.
Rating, weight, length seems quite similar.
What do you suggest ?
 
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Mate Horvath
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Both. :)
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Frank Roitzsch
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BJOSEPHLYON wrote:
Hello, I am looking for one of those (Vinhos or Madeira) to play with my wife.
Rating, weight, length seems quite similar.
What do you suggest ?
I think Madeira works a bit better for two.
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Nate Dorward
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I don't much like Madeira for two--it's too tight given the restrictions on dice placement.
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Chris Spath
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I think Madeira works really well with 2. It's a different game than with 3 or 4 players for sure, and it is meaner as a result; with the tight placement restrictions you really have to pay attention to what your opponent is doing and needs to do, but I love it.
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chris ward
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Madeira. But we only played the original version of Vinhos and the needlessly convoluted market phase killed it for us (I otherwise really liked it). So I'm biased.
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Chris Spath
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I should also add that I like Vinhos too, though I have much less experience of Vinhos than Madeira. I actually prefer the 2010 Vinhos game because of the bank, but 2016 is also good.

Based on my experience, Madeira is the better 2 player game. But if you like heavy games and it is an option to get both, then I say do!
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Bob D
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Both Vinhos Deluxe Edition and Madeira are good at 2. With the deluxe edition of Vinhos, you can play the 2016 version if the 2010 rules are not to your liking. Essentially, you get 1.5 games in one box. I owned the original Vinhos but traded it away. I really enjoy both the 2016 and 2010 versions.

Madeira, as others have mentioned, is tight at 2. It also scales well at all player counts.

Both games scale well and are deep, strategic games with initially high rules overhead. Pick the one that is most appealing to you, theme or mechanism-wise. Neither game is bad nor considerably better at 2 than the other so there really isn’t a wrong choice from an objective point of view.
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Vinhos Deluxe for 2 is quite good. It also has a decent solo version. I've only played Madeira 3 players so can't comment.
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Pick the theme you like better. We like both at two, but prefer Vinhos for it's theme over Madeira. We own both.
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I haven't played Vinhos, but I think Madeira as a 2-player game works really, really well. I prefer it with 3, but only barely, and it's one of the two very involved and heavy games which we grab as a 2-player game when we have the time and mindspace to really dig in (the other is Bora Bora).
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Justin Rizzo
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It's probably not as good as everyone says it is....
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BJOSEPHLYON wrote:
Hello, I am looking for one of those (Vinhos or Madeira) to play with my wife.
Rating, weight, length seems quite similar.
What do you suggest ?

I loved the mechanics in Vinhos, but I didn't enjoy the game whatsoever. You only get 12 actions per game, which completely soiled it for both the wife and myself. Sure, you can get bonus actions, but the game is so short and so restrictive. I felt like I was suffocating. We played through our learning game in like 45 minutes. North worth it, IMO.

While you don't get "oodles" more action in in Madeira, you should get at least double that. Combined with the pirate dice and the "passing" actions, I think I netted about 25ish actions in our learning game. As a fan of looser games with large numbers of actions, I can tell you I liked Madeira at 2P, and wouldn't trade my copy for the Deluxe edition of Vinhos, even if you threw money on top of it. I think Vinhos appeals to me more based on the theme, the visuals and even some of the mechanics (which tie into the theme quite nicely), but that all faded away 20 minutes in when I realized we were halfway through the game and the mechanics in Madeira are quite nice as well.

Now. Lets hope this upcoming reprint of Madeira gets some super treatment comparable to Vinhos Deluxe. Or as I called it, VD. <--- Troll comment. I kid, it's a good game, I just hated it.
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