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Artist Simon Denny uses board games in his artwork The Founder's Paradox, to explore entrepreneurs and the role of the nation state in a libertarian future that collides with fantasy imagery, expansionist ambition, and political ideology.





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These works remap board games with narratives from radical and influential texts like Peter Theil’s Zero to One and the libertarian book The Sovereign Individual. For example, Settlers of Catan, the favorite board game of tech entrepreneur and founder of LinkedIn Reid Hoffman is re-imagined as a story of expansion where players “settle, trade, and build” from a decaying earth to New Zealand, then out to international waters to found an ocean nation, and finally into outerspace.

http://mocacleveland.org/exhibitions/simon-denny-founders-pa...

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If you’re interested in how our current cultural anxieties – climate catastrophe, decline of transatlantic political orders, resurgent nuclear terror – manifest themselves in apocalyptic visions... New Zealand has come to be seen as a bolthole of choice for Silicon Valley’s tech elite... Peter Thiel claimed to be a little disturbed by how dark his cyber-libertarianism appeared when refracted through the lens of The Founder’s Paradox.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/feb/15/why-silicon-val...

 
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What's with the obsession with colonising far away, romanticised lands to build the libertarian Utopia?

I remember a few years ago when there was a project for a libertarian colony in Chile (land of the free market thanks to Pinochet) so white people from Anglo-Saxon countries could go and live there under ancap principles.

(It turned out to be a scam, the promoters run with the down payments.)
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Or maybe New Zealand is just popular because folks watched Lord of the Rings growing up.
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viclineal wrote:
What's with the obsession with colonising far away, romanticised lands to build the libertarian Utopia?

I remember a few years ago when there was a project for a libertarian colony in Chile (land of the free market thanks to Pinochet) so white people from Anglo-Saxon countries could go and live there under ancap principles.

(It turned out to be a scam, the promoters run with the down payments.)


It's also not like you can't find utopians that love space and read sci-fi, building said colonies in other planets. The trick is that it's difficult for the utopian to believe that such wonderful systems can be built near them, because there are so many people with the wrong kind of habits that want to thwart them and ruin said utopia. The True Nature Of Man(TM) can only be explored away from them. The idea that no, maybe their perspective is bogus, along with their idea of morality, and that the only way things even remotely appear to be right is in a world with zero scarcity.

Ultimately anarcho-capitalist and the left wing anarchist aren't all that different from each other.
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hibikir wrote:
Ultimately anarcho-capitalist and the left wing anarchist aren't all that different from each other.


Almost diametrically oppossed. For starters, there's very little utopianism in anarchism - it's a fiercely materialistic approach. Early modern liberal utopianism and 19th century utopian socialists were an influence on social democrats and social liberals, not on revolutionary currents like anarchism.

Ancapism, on the other hand, relies very heavily on utopian arguments such as natural rights and Mises-style praxeology.
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"What's with the obsession with colonising far away, romanticised lands to build the libertarian Utopia?

I remember a few years ago when there was a project for a libertarian colony in Chile (land of the free market thanks to Pinochet) so white people from Anglo-Saxon countries could go and live there under ancap principles.

(It turned out to be a scam, the promoters run with the down payments.)[/q]

It's also not like you can't find utopians that love space and read sci-fi, building said colonies in other planets. The trick is that it's difficult for the utopian to believe that such wonderful systems can be built near them, because there are so many people with the wrong kind of habits that want to thwart them and ruin said utopia. The True Nature Of Man(TM) can only be explored away from them."

 
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viclineal wrote:
hibikir wrote:
Ultimately anarcho-capitalist and the left wing anarchist aren't all that different from each other.


Almost diametrically oppossed. For starters, there's very little utopianism in anarchism - it's a fiercely materialistic approach.


Vic, can you elaborate on this?
I studied anarchism quite a bit and always felt there is strong utopian step necessary.

Sure, one can work on developing anarchist /voluntaristic/cooperative *mindset* within the existing social arrangements thus working towards anarchism in material way, but with no promise of anything like societal change / revolution.

To actually achieve anything like 'anarchist society' on the other hand you would need a dramatic rupture / revolution with the current societal mode. What is more, you would need this rupture endorsed by vast majority of the society members. This endorsement would either have to come under coercion of some sort (mostly contradictory to Anarchist principles) or would require radical change in ideas/consciousness/desires of large majority of people in a given area (or even world) which is utopistic.

Note the obvious parallel with AnCaps: if near all people *wanted* their world to happen, it could happen (people eschewing particular forms of violence, voluntarily submitting to rigid property rights and attendant inequality etc...). In the mean time AnCaps can claim they are materially working on creating social and economic conditions for this great shift to take place.

Just because it is harder for you (or me) to imagine great number of people wanting to live under AnCap system it does not mean that it is in any way more utopistic to imagine that societal shift then a shift to Anarchism.

At the end of the day, both systems depend greatly on vast majority of people buying into a value system and internalizing values of that system ahead of their apparent immediate self interest. 'Natural rights' and similar claptrap are just particular instances of absolute values people have to buy into for AnCap to work. Any version of Anarchism has a similar list.
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viclineal wrote:
What's with the obsession with colonising far away, romanticised lands to build the libertarian Utopia?


Similarly, not sure about 'obsession', but the most compelling piece of Anarchist fiction I am aware of: 'The Dispossessed' by late Ursula LeGuin, has as its literal premise a colonization of an uninhabited land in order to build an Anarchist Utopia.

Appeal is actually very simple to understand. If you don't want to be coercive and it is near unimaginable you can inoculate your values into everyone - next best thing is for a bunch of people who already share your values to go somewhere (empty) together and build the society based on those values.

To her credit, LeGuin, contrary to most AnCaps, at least considered some of the problems of this approach.
 
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"If you don't want to be coercive and it is near unimaginable you can inoculate your values into everyone - next best thing is for a bunch of people who already share your values to go somewhere (empty) together and build the society based on those values. "

and when the people share common values but disagree on the means ? Do they move on to the next untamed wilderness until there are none left?

Can they just take what ever they need from the existing colonies \stocks stores?
 
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viclineal wrote:
What's with the obsession with colonising far away, romanticised lands to build the libertarian Utopia?

New Hampshire isn't particularly romanticized or far away.
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growlley wrote:
"If you don't want to be coercive and it is near unimaginable you can inoculate your values into everyone - next best thing is for a bunch of people who already share your values to go somewhere (empty) together and build the society based on those values. "

and when the people share common values but disagree on the means ? Do they move on to the next untamed wilderness until there are none left?

Can they just take what ever they need from the existing colonies \stocks stores?


The theory is that values in these sorts of systems necessarily imply the agreement on means (so-called natural rights lead directly to the weird ultra-property system for Ancaps etc...).
That said, I do not think that it would actually *work*.
I am just saying that this is the appeal of the colonizing fantasy in the context of political (or religious) idealism.
 
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damiangerous wrote:
viclineal wrote:
What's with the obsession with colonising far away, romanticised lands to build the libertarian Utopia?

New Hampshire isn't particularly romanticized or far away.


It is if you are penniless in Chile.
 
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Shadrach wrote:
Or maybe New Zealand is just popular because folks watched Lord of the Rings growing up.

 
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New Zealand's attractions for silicon valley billionaires;
far from potential nuclear strike
far from potential nuclear fallout
far from major population centers
far from refugee flight paths
temperate climate
adequate water supply
edoras, gondor, hobbiton
 
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Jollyboat wrote:
New Zealand's attractions for silicon valley billionaires;
far from potential nuclear strike
far from potential nuclear fallout
far from major population centers
far from refugee flight paths
temperate climate
adequate water supply
edoras, gondor, hobbiton



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