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1) What are the dimensions of the box? From the Man vs. Meeple video, if finalized, looks fairly big. This would be good considering I don't think I'll want to start storing my AE content in two separate boxes. I'm sure I'll likely get all future content for this game, but may have to prune things out to get them to fit in one reasonably sized box.

2) The claim is:

"Roughly 80% of the game play components in Aeon’s End Legacy are reusable outside of the campaign. That totals to roughly the same amount of content that would be included in Aeon’s End + The Depths. What is replayable:
- all of the mages you create
- all of the player cards
- a full set of basic nemesis cards (and a few more)
- six nemeses"

Approximately, how much of the 80% is new content for owners of all the previous Aeon's End content? Will certain cards be duplicated in Legacy from previous sets?

Thanks in advance.

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From what I understand, all of the extra content will be entirely new. as far as the box goes, they have said that it is 50% wider and will hold everything from the other Aeon's sets and expansions.
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unless the new mages are REALLY different, I figure we'll get duplicate Sparks and Crystals (generic starting Gems and Spells), and it looked like the dials, breaches, tokens etc will be duplicated, otherwise this wouldn't be playable stand-alone.

That's going to be a fairly small amount all told though.
 
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Eeeville wrote:
Approximately, how much of the 80% is new content for owners of all the previous Aeon's End content? Will certain cards be duplicated in Legacy from previous sets?


Just like with War Eternal, I would expect 100% to be new stuff.
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unless the new mages are REALLY different, I figure we'll get duplicate Sparks and Crystals (generic starting Gems and Spells), and it looked like the dials, breaches, tokens etc will be duplicated, otherwise this wouldn't be playable stand-alone.

That's going to be a fairly small amount all told though.


I doubt this is factored in the 80% though
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unless the new mages are REALLY different, I figure we'll get duplicate Sparks and Crystals (generic starting Gems and Spells), and it looked like the dials, breaches, tokens etc will be duplicated, otherwise this wouldn't be playable stand-alone.

That's going to be a fairly small amount all told though.


I doubt this is factored in the 80% though


No, that was more in response to the "will any content be duplicated" - should have quoted.

Either way, it's a small enough amount of stuff to not make much difference.
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Eeeville wrote:
Approximately, how much of the 80% is new content for owners of all the previous Aeon's End content? Will certain cards be duplicated in Legacy from previous sets?


I've seen a couple comments in the KS claiming that there are duplicates, but I've never sat down with the old games and my playtest copy to compare. I could do that if there was enough interest. Although for all I know they could change from playtest to retail to no longer be duplicates (if any even exist).

Even if there were a couple of duplicate supply cards, there's still like 99% of everything else that isn't.
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kevinjohn3d wrote:
Eeeville wrote:
Approximately, how much of the 80% is new content for owners of all the previous Aeon's End content? Will certain cards be duplicated in Legacy from previous sets?


I've seen a couple comments in the KS claiming that there are duplicates, but I've never sat down with the old games and my playtest copy to compare. I could do that if there was enough interest. Although for all I know they could change from playtest to retail to no longer be duplicates (if any even exist).

Even if there were a couple of duplicate supply cards, there's still like 99% of everything else that isn't.


I didn't see any duplicates and I know my expansions by heart. Whom were the comments from?
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kevinjohn3d wrote:
Eeeville wrote:
Approximately, how much of the 80% is new content for owners of all the previous Aeon's End content? Will certain cards be duplicated in Legacy from previous sets?


I've seen a couple comments in the KS claiming that there are duplicates, but I've never sat down with the old games and my playtest copy to compare. I could do that if there was enough interest. Although for all I know they could change from playtest to retail to no longer be duplicates (if any even exist).

Even if there were a couple of duplicate supply cards, there's still like 99% of everything else that isn't.


I didn't see any duplicates and I know my expansions by heart. Whom were the comments from?


Dude, that was either yesterday or the day before and Kickstarter comments aren't really well known for their searching ability. I believe you that there's no duplicates
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kevinjohn3d wrote:
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kevinjohn3d wrote:
Eeeville wrote:
Approximately, how much of the 80% is new content for owners of all the previous Aeon's End content? Will certain cards be duplicated in Legacy from previous sets?


I've seen a couple comments in the KS claiming that there are duplicates, but I've never sat down with the old games and my playtest copy to compare. I could do that if there was enough interest. Although for all I know they could change from playtest to retail to no longer be duplicates (if any even exist).

Even if there were a couple of duplicate supply cards, there's still like 99% of everything else that isn't.


I didn't see any duplicates and I know my expansions by heart. Whom were the comments from?


Dude, that was either yesterday or the day before and Kickstarter comments aren't really well known for their searching ability. I believe you that there's no duplicates


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Dude, that was either yesterday or the day before and Kickstarter comments aren't really well known for their searching ability. I believe you that there's no duplicates


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Eeeville wrote:
1) What are the dimensions of the box? From the Man vs. Meeple video, if finalized, looks fairly big. This would be good considering I don't think I'll want to start storing my AE content in two separate boxes. I'm sure I'll likely get all future content for this game, but may have to prune things out to get them to fit in one reasonably sized box.

2) The claim is:

"Roughly 80% of the game play components in Aeon’s End Legacy are reusable outside of the campaign. That totals to roughly the same amount of content that would be included in Aeon’s End + The Depths. What is replayable:
- all of the mages you create
- all of the player cards
- a full set of basic nemesis cards (and a few more)
- six nemeses"

Approximately, how much of the 80% is new content for owners of all the previous Aeon's End content? Will certain cards be duplicated in Legacy from previous sets?

Thanks in advance.



1. The box is going to be just like the War Eternal box except it will be 50% wider.

2. The only overlapping content is tokens, dials, Crystals, and Sparks.
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nicklittle wrote:
Eeeville wrote:
1) What are the dimensions of the box? From the Man vs. Meeple video, if finalized, looks fairly big. This would be good considering I don't think I'll want to start storing my AE content in two separate boxes. I'm sure I'll likely get all future content for this game, but may have to prune things out to get them to fit in one reasonably sized box.

2) The claim is:

"Roughly 80% of the game play components in Aeon’s End Legacy are reusable outside of the campaign. That totals to roughly the same amount of content that would be included in Aeon’s End + The Depths. What is replayable:
- all of the mages you create
- all of the player cards
- a full set of basic nemesis cards (and a few more)
- six nemeses"

Approximately, how much of the 80% is new content for owners of all the previous Aeon's End content? Will certain cards be duplicated in Legacy from previous sets?

Thanks in advance.



1. The box is going to be just like the War Eternal box except it will be 50% wider.

2. The only overlapping content is tokens, dials, Crystals, and Sparks.


Not true. If you look at the initial market setup in the instruction book, there are two basic gems that are duplicates of basic gems in the original set, one that gives you 2 aether and nothing else and one that gives you three. That is what was being referred too. It makes perfect sense that those would be there and I am perfectly fine with it it, but other than the name and art, those are duplicates of already existing gems.
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nicklittle wrote:
Eeeville wrote:
1) What are the dimensions of the box? From the Man vs. Meeple video, if finalized, looks fairly big. This would be good considering I don't think I'll want to start storing my AE content in two separate boxes. I'm sure I'll likely get all future content for this game, but may have to prune things out to get them to fit in one reasonably sized box.

2) The claim is:

"Roughly 80% of the game play components in Aeon’s End Legacy are reusable outside of the campaign. That totals to roughly the same amount of content that would be included in Aeon’s End + The Depths. What is replayable:
- all of the mages you create
- all of the player cards
- a full set of basic nemesis cards (and a few more)
- six nemeses"

Approximately, how much of the 80% is new content for owners of all the previous Aeon's End content? Will certain cards be duplicated in Legacy from previous sets?

Thanks in advance.



1. The box is going to be just like the War Eternal box except it will be 50% wider.

2. The only overlapping content is tokens, dials, Crystals, and Sparks.


Any reason you chose to make it longer and not just a box that was the same but deeper? I'd much prefer a square box (not overly fussed, just wondering)
 
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nicklittle wrote:
Eeeville wrote:
1) What are the dimensions of the box? From the Man vs. Meeple video, if finalized, looks fairly big. This would be good considering I don't think I'll want to start storing my AE content in two separate boxes. I'm sure I'll likely get all future content for this game, but may have to prune things out to get them to fit in one reasonably sized box.

2) The claim is:

"Roughly 80% of the game play components in Aeon’s End Legacy are reusable outside of the campaign. That totals to roughly the same amount of content that would be included in Aeon’s End + The Depths. What is replayable:
- all of the mages you create
- all of the player cards
- a full set of basic nemesis cards (and a few more)
- six nemeses"

Approximately, how much of the 80% is new content for owners of all the previous Aeon's End content? Will certain cards be duplicated in Legacy from previous sets?

Thanks in advance.



1. The box is going to be just like the War Eternal box except it will be 50% wider.

2. The only overlapping content is tokens, dials, Crystals, and Sparks.


Not true. If you look at the initial market setup in the instruction book, there are two basic gems that are duplicates of basic gems in the original set, one that gives you 2 aether and nothing else and one that gives you three. That is what was being referred too. It makes perfect sense that those would be there and I am perfectly fine with it it, but other than the name and art, those are duplicates of already existing gems.


Nick is the designer of the game, so he knows what he's talking about. Take a closer look at the starting supply.
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Mist314 wrote:
catwhowalksbyhimself wrote:
nicklittle wrote:
Eeeville wrote:
1) What are the dimensions of the box? From the Man vs. Meeple video, if finalized, looks fairly big. This would be good considering I don't think I'll want to start storing my AE content in two separate boxes. I'm sure I'll likely get all future content for this game, but may have to prune things out to get them to fit in one reasonably sized box.

2) The claim is:

"Roughly 80% of the game play components in Aeon’s End Legacy are reusable outside of the campaign. That totals to roughly the same amount of content that would be included in Aeon’s End + The Depths. What is replayable:
- all of the mages you create
- all of the player cards
- a full set of basic nemesis cards (and a few more)
- six nemeses"

Approximately, how much of the 80% is new content for owners of all the previous Aeon's End content? Will certain cards be duplicated in Legacy from previous sets?

Thanks in advance.



1. The box is going to be just like the War Eternal box except it will be 50% wider.

2. The only overlapping content is tokens, dials, Crystals, and Sparks.


Not true. If you look at the initial market setup in the instruction book, there are two basic gems that are duplicates of basic gems in the original set, one that gives you 2 aether and nothing else and one that gives you three. That is what was being referred too. It makes perfect sense that those would be there and I am perfectly fine with it it, but other than the name and art, those are duplicates of already existing gems.


Nick is the designer of the game, so I think he knows what he's talking about. Take a closer look at the starting supply.


I'm looking at it right now. Ancient Cyanolith and Gilded Marble are basic 2 and 3 Aether cards, excactly like the ones in Aeon's End. Again, that makes perfect sense and they should be there, but that is what I and others meant when we said duplicates. Not a big deal at all.

EDIT: They might cost slightly more, but are identical in what they do, so I still consider that duplicates, especially since those would be useless in none campaign play. They are TECHNICALLY different, but when it comes to value as an expansion, that does make a different, albeit only a very slight one.
 
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catwhowalksbyhimself wrote:
Mist314 wrote:
catwhowalksbyhimself wrote:
nicklittle wrote:
Eeeville wrote:
1) What are the dimensions of the box? From the Man vs. Meeple video, if finalized, looks fairly big. This would be good considering I don't think I'll want to start storing my AE content in two separate boxes. I'm sure I'll likely get all future content for this game, but may have to prune things out to get them to fit in one reasonably sized box.

2) The claim is:

"Roughly 80% of the game play components in Aeon’s End Legacy are reusable outside of the campaign. That totals to roughly the same amount of content that would be included in Aeon’s End + The Depths. What is replayable:
- all of the mages you create
- all of the player cards
- a full set of basic nemesis cards (and a few more)
- six nemeses"

Approximately, how much of the 80% is new content for owners of all the previous Aeon's End content? Will certain cards be duplicated in Legacy from previous sets?

Thanks in advance.



1. The box is going to be just like the War Eternal box except it will be 50% wider.

2. The only overlapping content is tokens, dials, Crystals, and Sparks.


Not true. If you look at the initial market setup in the instruction book, there are two basic gems that are duplicates of basic gems in the original set, one that gives you 2 aether and nothing else and one that gives you three. That is what was being referred too. It makes perfect sense that those would be there and I am perfectly fine with it it, but other than the name and art, those are duplicates of already existing gems.


Nick is the designer of the game, so I think he knows what he's talking about. Take a closer look at the starting supply.


I'm looking at it right now. Ancient Cyanolith and Gilded Marble are basic 2 and 3 Aether cards, excactly like the ones in Aeon's End. Again, that makes perfect sense and they should be there, but that is what I and others meant when we said duplicates. Not a big deal at all.


Jade and Ancient Cyanolith are not the same card. They do the same thing but are not the same card.

There is no existing card that just produces 3 aether.
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I'm looking at it right now.


Where is the image? is it on BGG? or on Kickstarter?
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I'm looking at it right now.


Where is the image? is it on BGG? or on Kickstarter?


Pg. 11 of the rulebook found on the Kickstarter campaign page.
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nicklittle wrote:
catwhowalksbyhimself wrote:
Mist314 wrote:
catwhowalksbyhimself wrote:
nicklittle wrote:
Eeeville wrote:
1) What are the dimensions of the box? From the Man vs. Meeple video, if finalized, looks fairly big. This would be good considering I don't think I'll want to start storing my AE content in two separate boxes. I'm sure I'll likely get all future content for this game, but may have to prune things out to get them to fit in one reasonably sized box.

2) The claim is:

"Roughly 80% of the game play components in Aeon’s End Legacy are reusable outside of the campaign. That totals to roughly the same amount of content that would be included in Aeon’s End + The Depths. What is replayable:
- all of the mages you create
- all of the player cards
- a full set of basic nemesis cards (and a few more)
- six nemeses"

Approximately, how much of the 80% is new content for owners of all the previous Aeon's End content? Will certain cards be duplicated in Legacy from previous sets?

Thanks in advance.



1. The box is going to be just like the War Eternal box except it will be 50% wider.

2. The only overlapping content is tokens, dials, Crystals, and Sparks.


Not true. If you look at the initial market setup in the instruction book, there are two basic gems that are duplicates of basic gems in the original set, one that gives you 2 aether and nothing else and one that gives you three. That is what was being referred too. It makes perfect sense that those would be there and I am perfectly fine with it it, but other than the name and art, those are duplicates of already existing gems.


Nick is the designer of the game, so I think he knows what he's talking about. Take a closer look at the starting supply.


I'm looking at it right now. Ancient Cyanolith and Gilded Marble are basic 2 and 3 Aether cards, excactly like the ones in Aeon's End. Again, that makes perfect sense and they should be there, but that is what I and others meant when we said duplicates. Not a big deal at all.


Jade and Ancient Cyanolith are not the same card. They do the same thing but are not the same card.

There is no existing card that just produces 3 aether.


I thought there was one that just produced 3 aether. My apologies for that. That just leaves that one then. When we talk about "duplicates" we aren't talking about the exact same card, just the exact same function. Again, no one's complaining about this that I am aware of, but it's important to note for comparison purposes.
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catwhowalksbyhimself wrote:
Mist314 wrote:
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nicklittle wrote:
Eeeville wrote:
1) What are the dimensions of the box? From the Man vs. Meeple video, if finalized, looks fairly big. This would be good considering I don't think I'll want to start storing my AE content in two separate boxes. I'm sure I'll likely get all future content for this game, but may have to prune things out to get them to fit in one reasonably sized box.

2) The claim is:

"Roughly 80% of the game play components in Aeon’s End Legacy are reusable outside of the campaign. That totals to roughly the same amount of content that would be included in Aeon’s End + The Depths. What is replayable:
- all of the mages you create
- all of the player cards
- a full set of basic nemesis cards (and a few more)
- six nemeses"

Approximately, how much of the 80% is new content for owners of all the previous Aeon's End content? Will certain cards be duplicated in Legacy from previous sets?

Thanks in advance.



1. The box is going to be just like the War Eternal box except it will be 50% wider.

2. The only overlapping content is tokens, dials, Crystals, and Sparks.


Not true. If you look at the initial market setup in the instruction book, there are two basic gems that are duplicates of basic gems in the original set, one that gives you 2 aether and nothing else and one that gives you three. That is what was being referred too. It makes perfect sense that those would be there and I am perfectly fine with it it, but other than the name and art, those are duplicates of already existing gems.


Nick is the designer of the game, so I think he knows what he's talking about. Take a closer look at the starting supply.


I'm looking at it right now. Ancient Cyanolith and Gilded Marble are basic 2 and 3 Aether cards, excactly like the ones in Aeon's End. Again, that makes perfect sense and they should be there, but that is what I and others meant when we said duplicates. Not a big deal at all.

EDIT: They might cost slightly more, but are identical in what they do, so I still consider that duplicates, especially since those would be useless in none campaign play. They are TECHNICALLY different, but when it comes to value as an expansion, that does make a different, albeit only a very slight one.


Those two cards are different from anything that currently exists.
Jade has a different cost.
Clouded Sapphire doesn't just give you 3 aether.

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When we talk about "duplicates" we aren't talking about the exact same card, just the exact same function.

That's technically incorrect.
A card that is significantly worse than another card serves a different function entirely, from both a design and a player perspective.
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So to sum up, there are technically no duplicates.

However, post campaign, there is literally no reason to choose a 3 cost-> 2 aether gem over a 2 cost -> 2 aether gem.

I know the reason for the former is because of the campaign but post-campaign there really isn't a reason to use it.
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I'm looking at it right now. Ancient Cyanolith and Gilded Marble are basic 2 and 3 Aether cards, excactly like the ones in Aeon's End. Again, that makes perfect sense and they should be there, but that is what I and others meant when we said duplicates. Not a big deal at all.

EDIT: They might cost slightly more, but are identical in what they do, so I still consider that duplicates, especially since those would be useless in none campaign play. They are TECHNICALLY different, but when it comes to value as an expansion, that does make a different, albeit only a very slight one.


Not duplicates as you noted.

Not useless in non-campaign play, certainly not as effective ;)
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So to sum up, there are technically no duplicates.

However, post campaign, there is literally no reason to choose a 3 cost-> 2 aether gem over a 2 cost -> 2 aether gem.

I know the reason for the former is because of the campaign but post-campaign there really isn't a reason to use it.


It's still situational. I can think of at least two reasons to potentially pick the 3 cost gem:
1. It changes the balance/difficulty of the gameplay.
2. I may be misremembering here, but aren't there cards that interact with another card's cost? If so, that may be another reason to pick the 3 cost over the 2 cost.
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I didn't see any duplicates and I know my expansions by heart. Whom were the comments from?


It was that guy up there.




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1. It changes the balance/difficulty of the gameplay.

Good point, although isn't this game hard enough
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