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So the economist went after the pedants!

In the court of common usage, an old pronoun is losing its case

This has RSP written all over it...
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I use "who" often when I should use "whom." I feel bad about that. I don't know why.
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I use "who" often when I should use "whom." I feel bad about that. I don't know why.


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Excellent article. Thank you.
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I'm always a supporter of ever changing and evolving language. It's defined by usage. Although I don't tend to use the word myself, I'll support terms such as "irregardless". I'm also fine with phrases that have had their definitions change over time, such as "begs the question".

Whom sounds too dated and stuffy in my not so humble opinion, so I'm happy to see it fade away.
 
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Holmes108 wrote:
I'm always a supporter of ever changing and evolving language.

how about literally now meaning figuratively?
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Me, my sense of humour, and my bad grammar, not necessarily in that order.



Yes, but did you ever actually come back and read what this post is about rather than misreading the subject?
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Holmes108 wrote:
I'll support terms such as "irregardless".


I'm not for blithering ignorance becoming acceptable and proper.

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I'm also fine with phrases that have had their definitions change over time, such as "begs the question".


100% agree on this one. I know what the "correct" definition is, and in today's English, it makes absolutely no sense. There are a thousand other words and phrases that don't mean what they used to, but this one is the hot button of un- and under-employed English majors the world over.

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Whom sounds too dated and stuffy in my not so humble opinion, so I'm happy to see it fade away.


I'm hanging onto it. That, and my Oxford comma. cool
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Take with it "whilst". Anyone who uses whilst and isn't in a Brontë sisters novel just be nut punched.
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I think a semicolon should have been used in the title of this thread. whistle
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MABBY wrote:
I think a semicolon should have been used in the title of this thread. whistle


Perhaps if I had wanted it to be completely clear about the meaning of the phrase, but I didn't. whistle

...and I think it would be a colon.
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Does this mean I can stop mentally autocorrecting George Thorogood now?

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MWChapel wrote:
Take with it "whilst". Anyone who uses whilst and isn't in a Brontë sisters novel just be nut punched.


‘While’ is the older form, whereas ‘whilst’ is a more modern version, even though it’s often heard as olde fashioned. It’s much more common on this side of the Atlantic, and isn’t seen as particularly weird.
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MWChapel wrote:
Take with it "whilst". Anyone who uses whilst and isn't in a Brontë sisters novel just be nut punched.


There are a lot of people in Australia who's nuts you'll need to be punching, then. American English isn't the only variety.
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kunnagh wrote:
MWChapel wrote:
Take with it "whilst". Anyone who uses whilst and isn't in a Brontë sisters novel just be nut punched.


‘While’ is the older form, whereas ‘whilst’ is a more modern version, even though it’s often heard as olde fashioned. It’s much more common on this side of the Atlantic, and isn’t seen as particularly weird.


I don't think comparing a word made in the 14th century vs. a word originating in the 12th century as being contemporary.

Those 14th century hipsters.
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This was asked last week in the "nobody's created a thread where I can logically put this..." thread:
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Surely by now we all know the difference between objective and subjective, yes?

The answer is clearly NO.
 
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MattG wrote:
Does this mean I can stop mentally autocorrecting George Thorogood now?

Who Whom do you love?

George did not have the audacity to mess with Bo. Good for him.
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hojoh wrote:
MattG wrote:
Does this mean I can stop mentally autocorrecting George Thorogood now?

Who Whom do you love?

George did not have the audacity to mess with Bo. Good for him.
As an aside, this album is GREAT:
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In the words of that great philosopher, Daffy Duck, "Ah, pronoun trouble!".
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If 'whom' were on its way out, I daresay it wouldn't happen quickly.
 
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MWChapel wrote:
kunnagh wrote:
MWChapel wrote:
Take with it "whilst". Anyone who uses whilst and isn't in a Brontë sisters novel just be nut punched.


‘While’ is the older form, whereas ‘whilst’ is a more modern version, even though it’s often heard as olde fashioned. It’s much more common on this side of the Atlantic, and isn’t seen as particularly weird.


I don't think comparing a word made in the 14th century vs. a word originating in the 12th century as being contemporary.

Those 14th century hipsters.


It’s the joy of being English...
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mafman6 wrote:
Holmes108 wrote:
I'm always a supporter of ever changing and evolving language.

how about literally now meaning figuratively?


Depends on how proper of a communication. Conversationally, I feel I can determine the difference of someones intended use, so it doesn't bother me.
 
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mafman6 wrote:
Holmes108 wrote:
I'm always a supporter of ever changing and evolving language.

how about literally now meaning figuratively?


When people do this I literally explode with rage.
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