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Klaus Scharpf
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I think there is a slight disadvantage when playing two players (or maybe I am not seeing the obvious):

A, B are the players
C is the island that is also full of exploration tokens
XXX is the blocked off island

| |
+----+ +----+
_| |__| |_
| A | | B |
+----+ +----+
| |
+----+ +----+
_| |__|XXXX|_
| C | |XXXX|
+----+ +----+
| |


If I am not mistaken then A has a distinctive advantage in getting to explore continent C faster than B, since there are two direct ferry routes from A to C (one of them is the wrap-around one).
B cannot do that, since there is no direct connection between B and C.

The same issue could come up in 3 player games and 5 player games, depending on where you are in relation to the continent that is basically up for grabs.

Am I missing something?

And just so that you understand: I love the game!



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Ivan Alaiz
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Can’t you just start up in silands b and c and leave a to explore?
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KlausScharpf wrote:
I think there is a slight disadvantage when playing two players (or maybe I am not seeing the obvious):

A, B are the players
C is the island that is also full of exploration tokens
XXX is the blocked off island

| |
+----+ +----+
_| |__| |_
| A | | B |
+----+ +----+
| |
+----+ +----+
_| |__|XXXX|_
| C | |XXXX|
+----+ +----+
| |


If I am not mistaken then A has a distinctive advantage in getting to explore continent C faster than B, since there are two direct ferry routes from A to C (one of them is the wrap-around one).
B cannot do that, since there is no direct connection between B and C.

The same issue could come up in 3 player games and 5 player games, depending on where you are in relation to the continent that is basically up for grabs.

Am I missing something?

And just so that you understand: I love the game!





I see what you are saying... but if I was player B, I would then build a tower on the edge of player A's continent since their forces are now spread out.
 
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When my friend and I played, we left A alone as well for balance. However, I'm not looking at the map currently, but doesn't one of the shipping lanes from B go down and then circle all the way around the board and then land on C? I think the rulebook uses the term "graticules". I'm not looking at the game board, but I think they might be the same to C. Everything is much closer than it at first appears.
 
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Pretty sure you can get there in one move from a
 
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Mpgrunt wrote:
Pretty sure you can get there in one move from a


I could be looking at the map wrong, but it looks like 3 spaces for A and 3 spaces for B.
 
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B has to move down to the ferry route in 2 moves, and then the 3rd move is using the ferry route and graticule "2" to loop around the map and land on either A or C.
 
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From continent B, they can move left and up on the ferry lang B and then they come out on the bottom of the map and they can reach continent C in one move.

https://boardgamegeek.com/image/3532977/heroes-land-air-sea?...
 
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(I believe) In the 4 player map, all continents can reach each other continents in 2 different way with just one move from their own continent.
 
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Yes it can. Was just deleting and reposting, but you beat me to it.
 
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I'll do the same
 
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Yes, each continent has access to the others by two points. When playing three player one of those points is shared.
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Klaus Scharpf
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I knew I overlooked the obvious...

Thanks for all the answers.
Sometimes you (meaning I) don't see the forest for the trees.

A still has a slight advantage by having three ferry routes into C, while B only has two options. But that I can live with :-)

Thanks again.
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The continent not placed any exploration tokens on/around, is that to be ignored completely, like it does not exist? Or can someone still march through that continent and its sea around it?
 
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Replect wrote:
The continent not placed any exploration tokens on/around, is that to be ignored completely, like it does not exist? Or can someone still march through that continent and its sea around it?

Ignore it completely like it doesn't exist.
 
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You can always play that the useless graticulate in B could connect with the useless graticulate in C.

If you look at the map, this would be connecting graticulate C with 3.

https://boardgamegeek.com/image/3532977/heroes-land-air-sea?...
 
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