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Usually, when I'm learning a game, I'll go through the setup, then read the turn structure and play out a few turns as I go before I start an actual game, referencing the rulebook to fill in blanks as needed. With this game, I literally could not get past the first step of the setup, so I looked up the How to Play video, only to find a pretty similar unclear explanation of what to do. My guess at what I'm supposed to do is as follows:

- Separate the map tiles into red and green piles, then sort each pile by their number.

- Search each pile for any named map tiles, and place them face-up in their displayed positions.

- Shuffle all of the green map tiles used in the scenario, and place them face-down randomly, as shown on the setup card. Do the same with the red cards.

The rulebook left out enough of the above to send me to the video, and the video doesn't explain how the red and green cards shouldn't be shuffled together (assuming they shouldn't). I really wish the video was done Watch It Played-style, starting off with an empty table, and walking through the setup process, instead of starting with a scenario already set up.

The other thing is that the rulebook recommends starting with Story 1, while the video and comments stress starting with the Desecrated scenario. If I tried to trust the rulebook, and didn't look for the video while seeking help, I might have made my first play a lot more arduous than it should be.

Anyway, do I have it right?
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Khali wrote:
Yes, you are correct
correct? on setup? on which story to start with?
 
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I started with the 4 normal scenarios (they each teach a different lesson in essence, I happened to start with desecrated as well but doesn't really matter) ... then I went for the stories (recommended doing them in order starting with Story 1).

The set up is corrected. Pull the tiles of the proper number for the game you're playing. Then place any Up facing named tiles. Shuffle the rest and place in the locations show on the set up face down randomly. (The set up for each scenario/story shows where the green tiles and red tile are to be placed).
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Start with one of the normal scenarios (probably desecrated since there are videos of it - I wouldn't start with the escort). They are shorter, so it will be easier to learn playing one of those.

This was the only setup video I could find. It sets up story one:
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John_VW wrote:
Khali wrote:
Yes, you are correct
correct? on setup? on which story to start with?


Sorry, yes setup, start with what you feel like.
 
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I agree with you, and I think this highlights my biggest problem with some of these games. The designers are probably soo far beyond their very first setup of the game that they kind of lose the ability to help us get that first game started.

I couldn't start Gloomhaven, and I couldn't start this very well either.

Someone made a first-game guide fro GH and maybe this could be the case. I was a bit disappointed too when I watched the 2 how to play videos that everything was already set up. That was my biggest issue

Little things like the starting stats at level 0 are about 2 inches of space in the rule book that you might miss. By the time I actually had my table set up for the first scenario I wasn't interested in playing anymore. It all makes sense once you make sense of it, of course, but that first game sometimes is even more of a struggle than it should be to get it set up.
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Saneless wrote:
I agree with you, and I think this highlights my biggest problem with some of these games. The designers are probably soo far beyond their very first setup of the game that they kind of lose the ability to help us get that first game started.

I couldn't start Gloomhaven, and I couldn't start this very well either.

Someone made a first-game guide fro GH and maybe this could be the case. I was a bit disappointed too when I watched the 2 how to play videos that everything was already set up. That was my biggest issue

Little things like the starting stats at level 0 are about 2 inches of space in the rule book that you might miss. By the time I actually had my table set up for the first scenario I wasn't interested in playing anymore. It all makes sense once you make sense of it, of course, but that first game sometimes is even more of a struggle than it should be to get it set up.


I'm sorry to hear you (vgambit, and perhaps others) felt the set up wasn't clear enough. The set up instructions were tested with hundreds of people but things can always be improved as we all have different ways of learning.

I agree the "how to play" is more focussed on the rules than the set up of the game, so I will look into doing a "set up" video focussing on just this element.
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Thanks Frank.

And I didn't mean it in a way that you guys get out of touch with us. I think anyone who's close to something automatically connects dots that some people don't.

You've already shown that when it comes to actually playing the game (once it's set up) you can do a great job showing how to understand the mechanics and game.

And your re-boxing of the game when you're done was perfect and I wish more people did it.

I think I just get a bit overwhelmed with some of these games to start, and as I jump in solo, it's not like I have someone to bounce ideas off of. I will also say that even if you didn't show the actual setup, seeing where you placed things was helpful since I trust after all your play-throughs you have a good feel for where you like components. I especially liked that you've organized the item trays in a way that you only need one of them while you play.
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TheCityofKings wrote:
I'm sorry to hear you (vgambit, and perhaps others) felt the set up wasn't clear enough. The set up instructions were tested with hundreds of people but things can always be improved as we all have different ways of learning.

I agree the "how to play" is more focussed on the rules than the set up of the game, so I will look into doing a "set up" video focussing on just this element.


No apology necessary, IMO. My guess at the answer was right anyway. I only made the thread because I was playing solo and had the option of just stopping setup and leaving the stuff on my table until I knew for sure. It was mostly born out of a severe aversion to the problem of misunderstanding game rules that I've run into before, and I cared too much about the game to make this another "oh, I've been doing it all wrong the whole time. No wonder I didn't like it as much as I thought I would" story.
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