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Lola Granola
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A FB friend of mine shared a post with a pic of a sexy chick and this text:

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Dear Civs,
If you are sitting there thinking SESTA-FOSTA won't affect you, you are wrong. You know how Craigslist personals shut down? You know how Fetlife released a statement that it might shut down after #45 signs this thing? Guess What? ALL your dating sites, hook up sites and apps fall under SESTA-FOSTA. Bye bye Tindr, bye bye Grindr, bye bye match. Bye bye all of it. Have you read the bill? Do you care yet? Dead sex workers might not matter to you, but maybe losing your hook up sites does? 🤷‍♀️ -Yesenia I
#FuckSESTA #FuckFOSTA #slutupandlisten #sexyphotosoyouwillactuallyreadthisyajerks

addendum: Amazon has now buried all sexy and romance books in the no reviews dungeon and Skype/MS/Xbox live have updated TOS to say no nudity or foul language on private calls so no more cussing our your call of duty enemies or sexy dates via video with your long distance boo. THIS IS ABOUT INTERNET FREEDOM AND FREE SPEECH TOO! They are coming for sex workers first but y'all muggles are next.


I had not heard of SESTA-FOSTA and knew nothing about it, so I pulled up an article and it sounds pretty fucked up, especially that companies are implementing things before it's even in effect despite how unconstitutional it sounds. Do you know anything about this?
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It's a classic Sin Is Bad legislation, where it will probably not help the things that it's supposed to help with all that much, and will absolutely hurt all kinds of other things. I compare it to state anti abortion laws, which are happily avoided by those with resources, only hurt poor families, and are far worse at actually preventing abortions than just making IUDs free: It's just happens that the same anti-abortion groups aren't really against abortion, but against having sex for fun.

Legalizing and regulating prostitution would do a lot more to minimize underage prostitution and sex traffic, all while improving the working conditions of sex workers, as suddenly the difference between legal and illegal becomes apparent real fast. But since Paying-For-Sex-In-A-Single-Encounter-Basis is Bad, then we might have some decreases in prostitution, but mostly by making those that participate less safe and more miserable. The thing is that as far as I know, no country has gotten rid of prostitution, as there is a lot of demand that just doesn't go away.

So it's terrible, but what do you expect when you have old rich people writing laws? I bet that expensive DC sex workers that they frequent away from their spouses will remain unaffected.
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This seems more poorly written than I expect. I do not have high expectations for the writing of our laws under the current Congress.

Is “civs” short for “civilians” and used to mean anyone not in the business in question? I am old and out of touch.
 
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Yeah, been hearing about it from sex working acquaintances. It's bad. Really bad. It's going to force them even more underground to even less safe channels. Ugh. There's also worry it will be used for shutting out sex workers even from non-work-related social contexts, isolating them evn further.

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Is “civs” short for “civilians” and used to mean anyone not in the business in question? I am old and out of touch.


Yes.
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It’s another step in the direction of allowing the government to ban internet porn and other media they consider inappropriate.
 
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mlcarter815 wrote:
It’s another step in the direction of allowing the government to ban internet porn and other media they consider inappropriate.


This is where the Orwellian fears arrise.
 
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mlcarter815 wrote:
It’s another step in the direction of allowing the government to ban internet porn and other media they consider inappropriate.


This is where the Orwellian fears arrise.
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mlcarter815 wrote:
It’s another step in the direction of allowing the government to ban internet porn and other media they consider inappropriate.


This is where the Orwellian fears arrise.

(in before a libertarian)
 
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mlcarter815 wrote:
It’s another step in the direction of allowing the government to ban internet porn and other media they consider inappropriate.


This is where the Orwellian fears arrrise.

(in before spellling police. Hands up! Don't shoot!)
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dkearns wrote:
This is where the Orwellian fears arrrise.

(in before spellling police. Hands up! Don't shoot!)
That's how you spell it in Pirate, and they have more to lose from Big Brother than most.
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I too just found out about this thing - from a musician and author friend on Google Plus who started a web forum late last year.
It was shut down earlier today.

So, went and played in Google.
Found this, about which I have to say, The Department of Justice says the bill is messed up? Daaaaaang!

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"... the Justice Department weighed in with a last minute letter saying that the language in the combined SESTA/FOSTA is so poorly drafted that it would actually make it more difficult to prosecute sex traffickers, and also calling into question whether or not the bill was even Constitutional. "

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20180227/15314039324/doj-t...

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It’s easy to see the impact that this ramp-up in liability will have on online speech: facing the risk of ruinous litigation, online platforms will have little choice but to become much more restrictive in what sorts of discussion—and what sorts of users—they allow, censoring innocent people in the process.

What forms that erasure takes will vary from platform to platform.... For others, it will mean over-reliance on automated filters to delete borderline posts. No matter what methods platforms use to mitigate their risk, one thing is certain: when platforms choose to err on the side of censorship, marginalized voices are censored disproportionately. The Internet will become a less inclusive place, something that hurts all of us.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2018/03/how-congress-censored-...

And then I found, though this one doesn't explicitly do so, several editorials where authors were suspecting the big companies might have been influenced by realizing that small startups couldn't afford the potential lawsuits and therefore will not be created to compete with their big ones.
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"At first, tech companies lined up in lockstep against the bill. But then the seemingly impossible happened: The platforms’ opposition receded. Perhaps because the climate on the Hill was increasingly inhospitable to the major social media companies given their role in L’Affaire Russe and perhaps because the writing was on the wall, the Internet Association (which represents Facebook, Google, Microsoft, and other big tech companies) endorsed the legislation after Senate staff changed the bill to head off some of its excesses."

https://lawfareblog.com/fosta-new-anti-sex-trafficking-legis...

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What’s more, the bill applies retroactively, so platforms can be held liable for hosting sex-trafficking-related content when it was legal.

https://www.dailydot.com/debug/what-is-sesta-fosta-bill/

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In Greater New Orleans Broadcasting Association v. U.S., the Supreme Court struck down a portion of a law banning advertisement of casinos in states where casinos were legal. Greater New Orleans Broadcasting Association v. US, 527 U.S. 173 (1999). The government’s failing argument followed a logic not unlike that expressed by the authors of 18 U.S.C. §2421A. It unsuccessfully reasoned that the speech ban on casino advertising would directly advance its interest in “alleviating the social costs of casino gambling by limiting demand” because “‘promotional’ broadcast advertising concerning casino gambling increases demand for such gambling, which in turn increases the amount of casino gambling that produces…social costs.” Id. at 189.

Like the portion of the regulation struck down in Greater New Orleans, §2421A(a) prohibits “information, not commercial enticements of all kinds, and then only when conveyed over certain forms of media.” Id. at 191. This speech ban does not come close to being “narrow[ly] tailor[ed]…to the asserted interest.” Id. at 188 (internal citation omitted). As a result, it does not pass muster under the lower standard applied to commercial speech.

https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2018/03/why-fostas-res...
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LolaGranola wrote:
A FB friend of mine shared a post with a pic of a sexy chick and this text:
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Dear Civs, ...You know how Fetlife released a statement that it might shut down after #45 signs this thing? ...

I had not heard of SESTA-FOSTA and knew nothing about it, so I ...

Should I admit it has been some months since I've logged in there.
Hmm, might go see what the talk is.
 
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What's going to happen is that conservative politicians are going to get caught BIG TIME and then claim it's Obama's fault.

 
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As I said elsewhere, this has already resulted in the loss of legitimate independent massage therapists locations to advertise. Plumbers can still advertise but not licensed LMT's using their license number.
 
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The facebook version adult sex website called FetLife announced they may shut down before 45 signs the bill.
 
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http://www.newsweek.com/people-are-going-die-sex-workers-dev...
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Dulcinea Pitagora, a therapist who estimates that 20 percent of her clients are sex workers, is worried for her patients. “It’s really scary and some people don’t eat,” she told Newsweek. “This is what it’s coming to for some people.”

Pitagora, a former sex worker herself, believes that while the industry will survive, there will be tragic consequences.

“The world and New York City and the United States want sex workers and need sex workers, this is not an industry that is going to fold,” she said. “This is temporary, but for some people ‘temporary’ is a life or death situation. Some people will ride it out, some people will be supported by their regulars, and some people will die.”
 
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