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https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2018/apr/14/syria-don...
 
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I doubt the Syrians care at all.

If the US wants them to care they have to do something quite substantial and by surprise not days after Syria has shifted around assets in anticipation of this US strike.
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100 million dollar missiles plus whatever else it cost us.

Will it make any more difference than the last time?

Did it do 10 million dollars in damage?

I don't see there's anything else that we could have done such as going to full scale war and invasion but it seems like a pointless gesture and a waste of money that could have been spent making people's lives better.
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In Moscow, a Sense of Relief After a Limited Syria Attack

US ambassador to Russia Jon Huntsman: “Before we took actionthe U.S. communicated with the R.F. to reduce the danger of any Russian or civilian casualties.”

(R.F. = Russian Federation, aka Russia)
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"We had an early warning of the strike from the Russians ... and all military bases were evacuated a few days ago," the official said. Around 30 missiles were fired in the attack, and a third of them were shot down, the official said.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-asse...

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Well, that was $100 million dollars (more or less) well spent.

(The claim about the missiles shot down seems unlikely, but the claim that the Russians warned them and they got out of the way makes all kinds of sense.)
 
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Missiles are so 20th century, where are the terminators? Where are the machine gun mounted drones? We've really got to step up our ability to murder civilians in foreign countries without putting any of our own lives at risk.
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Where are the machine gun mounted drones?

We’re very behind the times. Syrian guerillas threw together some home-made drones and a swarm of them hit a Russian air base in Syria:





https://tsarizm.com/news/2018/01/04/russian-media-reports-7-...

The Russians deny that any damage was done, but I’m inclined to believe the above report.

Guerilla warfare now includes an aerial component.
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bowen wrote:
The claim about the missiles shot down seems unlikely...


Nah, assuming Syria has modern air defenses somewhere around (and they likely do, given Russia has such defenses, and are supplying Assad, and also always keen to take opportunities to test how their defenses work in 'live fire' situations against NATO weapons...) that is not unexpected at all.

Modern SAMs have gotten quite capable of reliably taking out cruise missiles, although cruise missiles have certainly evolved as well in an effort to get through, at the moment the balance leans towards air defenses. At least, when prepared and ready. IE., you have to shoot a lot of weapons to reliably land a hit where you are aiming if the enemy is paying attention.
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XanderF wrote:
bowen wrote:
The claim about the missiles shot down seems unlikely...


Nah, assuming Syria has modern air defenses somewhere around (and they likely do, given Russia has such defenses, and are supplying Assad, and also always keen to take opportunities to test how their defenses work in 'live fire' situations against NATO weapons...) that is not unexpected at all.

Modern SAMs have gotten quite capable of reliably taking out cruise missiles, although cruise missiles have certainly evolved as well in an effort to get through, at the moment the balance leans towards air defenses. At least, when prepared and ready. IE., you have to shoot a lot of weapons to reliably land a hit where you are aiming if the enemy is paying attention.
Good points all. Also, with the Russians having been warned about our targets, getting air defenses ready and in place would have been vastly simplified. I now accept that the claim about the percent shot down is plausible.
 
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The most aggressive country in the world.

Evil empire.

USA bombed the next peaceful countries in the last years:

Grenada, 1983
Panama, 1989
Libya, 1986
Iraq, 1991
Somali, 1993
Yugoslavia, 1995
Afghanistan and Sudan, 1998
Yugoslavia, 1999
Afghanistan, 2001
Iraq 2003
Libya, 2011
Syria and Iraq, 2014
Yemen 2015
Syria, 2018
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Pard wrote:
The most aggressive country in the world.

Evil empire.

USA bombed the next peaceful countries in the last years:

Grenada, 1983
Panama, 1989
Libya, 1986
Iraq, 1991
Somali, 1993
Yugoslavia, 1995
Afghanistan and Sudan, 1998
Yugoslavia, 1999
Afghanistan, 2001
Iraq 2003
Libya, 2011
Syria and Iraq, 2014
Yemen 2015
Syria, 2018


Yep, that there is a list of super peaceful countries.
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Pard wrote:
The most aggressive country in the world.

Evil empire.

USA bombed the next peaceful countries in the last years:

Grenada, 1983
Panama, 1989
Libya, 1986
Iraq, 1991
Somali, 1993
Yugoslavia, 1995
Afghanistan and Sudan, 1998
Yugoslavia, 1999
Afghanistan, 2001
Iraq 2003
Libya, 2011
Syria and Iraq, 2014
Yemen 2015
Syria, 2018


Thanks for always popping in to post that exact same thing whenever something anti-Russian happens. kiss
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Pard wrote:
The most aggressive country in the world.

Evil empire.

USA bombed the next peaceful countries in the last years:

Grenada, 1983
Panama, 1989
Libya, 1986
Iraq, 1991
Somali, 1993
Yugoslavia, 1995
Afghanistan and Sudan, 1998
Yugoslavia, 1999
Afghanistan, 2001
Iraq 2003
Libya, 2011
Syria and Iraq, 2014
Yemen 2015
Syria, 2018


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Pard wrote:
The most aggressive country in the world.

Evil empire.

USA bombed the next peaceful countries in the last years:

Grenada, 1983
Panama, 1989
Libya, 1986
Iraq, 1991
Somali, 1993
Yugoslavia, 1995
Afghanistan and Sudan, 1998
Yugoslavia, 1999
Afghanistan, 2001
Iraq 2003
Libya, 2011
Syria and Iraq, 2014
Yemen 2015
Syria, 2018


I'm curious. Do you get paid by the word for posting such nonsense? By the post? Just wondering how this ends up working out.
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ejmowrer wrote:
Yep, that there is a list of super peaceful countries.

We all now know: all serious reasons for bombing were bullshit.

And situation in all this countries after American "help" is more worse now.
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Pard wrote:
USA bombed the next peaceful countries in the last years:


Normally, I'm fine with anybody criticizing the US for being too quick to drop bombs. But this post, hell no.

1) Peaceful countries???
2) You're Russian... you do realize what you guys are up to around the world, no?
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And situation in all this countries after American "help" is more worse now.


How are things in the Ukraine these day?
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Shooting down cruise missiles, especially subsonic ones like the Tomahawks, is not that difficult in theory. But you have to be able to find them and track them first.

Over 100 missiles were fired by the USA, UK and France, and Russia didn't even activate the most sophisticated air defenses it has deployed in the region. I'm skeptical that many, if any, missiles were actually intercepted.

I understand that Russia has sent some AWACS-type aircraft to Syria, but I'm unclear on exactly where and how they are being used. Even so, their planes are far less capable than the Western counterparts.
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Pard wrote:
The most aggressive country in the world.

Evil empire.

USA bombed the next peaceful countries in the last years:

Grenada, 1983
Panama, 1989
Libya, 1986
Iraq, 1991
Somali, 1993
Yugoslavia, 1995
Afghanistan and Sudan, 1998
Yugoslavia, 1999
Afghanistan, 2001
Iraq 2003
Libya, 2011
Syria and Iraq, 2014
Yemen 2015
Syria, 2018


Didn't even bother to look over the boilerplate when I first posted - is that the distinct odor of Russian revanchism I detect in bold?

No such thing as "Bosnia" or "Kosovo," right tovarisch? And they're definitely worse off after our bombings!


I assumed that there wasn't a "Yugoslav" entity at the time, and I was wrong.
 
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mistermarino wrote:
Over 100 missiles were fired by the USA, UK and France, and Russia didn't even activate the most sophisticated air defenses it has deployed in the region. I'm skeptical that many, if any, missiles were actually intercepted.


The DoD's statements say that none of their missiles were intercepted and all of them hit their targets. While I might be a bit skeptical of "all," I'm far more willing to believe that than Syria intercepting the 13-71 (they've released both numbers) of the missiles.

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I understand that Russia has sent some AWACS-type aircraft to Syria, but I'm unclear on exactly where and how they are being used. Even so, their planes are far less capable than the Western counterparts.


From what I understand, something like an AWACS would be required to detect the missiles far enough out to make interception possible. The whole point of a missile like the Tomahawk is to fly low enough to evade ground-based radar and it's really, really good at that.
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Didn't even bother to look over the boilerplate when I first posted - is that the distinct odor of Russian revanchism I detect?

No such thing as "Bosnia" or "Kosovo," right tovarisch? And they're definitely worse off after our bombings! laugh


The post you are responding to is what it is, but this seems a weird thing to pick on, as "Yugoslavia" was in fact the name of the country that was bombed in these dates - specifically, it was the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, integrated by Serbia and Montenegro, which came into being after the dissolution of the Socialist federation and which retained the name "Yugoslavia" until 2003 - when it became the "State Union of Serbia and Montenegro" or Serbia and Montenegro for short.

I'm also not sure what is "tovarisch" about saying Yugoslavia - Russia historically has a closer relationship with Serbia than it ever had with Yugoslavia. No need to see red conspiracies behind everything.
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viclineal wrote:
toku42 wrote:
Didn't even bother to look over the boilerplate when I first posted - is that the distinct odor of Russian revanchism I detect?

No such thing as "Bosnia" or "Kosovo," right tovarisch? And they're definitely worse off after our bombings! laugh


The post you are responding to is what it is, but this seems a weird thing to pick on, as "Yugoslavia" was in fact the name of the country that was bombed in these dates - specifically, it was the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, integrated by Serbia and Montenegro, which came into being after the dissolution of the Socialist federation and which retained the name "Yugoslavia" until 2003 - when it became the "State Union of Serbia and Montenegro" or Serbia and Montenegro for short.

I'm also not sure what is "tovarisch" about saying Yugoslavia - Russia historically has a closer relationship with Serbia than it ever had with Yugoslavia. No need to see red conspiracies behind everything.


Fair enough, I did check Wikipedia before posting and saw '92 as the listed dissolution date of Yugoslavia, and didn't dig deeper.

The "tovarisch" crack was just a potshot at someone who seemed to be toeing the Russian government line on refusing to recognize Kosovo and, I assume, Bosnia-Herzegovina.

At any rate, I stand corrected.
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Pard wrote:
The most aggressive country in the world.

Evil empire.

USA bombed the next peaceful countries in the last years:

Grenada, 1983
Panama, 1989
Libya, 1986
Iraq, 1991
Somali, 1993
Yugoslavia, 1995
Afghanistan and Sudan, 1998
Yugoslavia, 1999
Afghanistan, 2001
Iraq 2003
Libya, 2011
Syria and Iraq, 2014
Yemen 2015
Syria, 2018


Libya helped bomb Pan Am flight 103 and supported terrorist groups, Yugoslavia(Serbia) was committing genocide and warned to stop, how do you feel about Russia flattening Chechnya or invading and stealing the Crimea ?

And as for Yemen, you do realise Russia just signed a £3billion arms deal with the saudis?
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edit: Incidentally, Cohen is a Republican, was in W's administration (at State), and would have probably been in the administration of any Republican elected in 2016 who was not called Trump, so not a knee-jerk anti-GOP partisan kind of guy.
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