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Mike Pence is a dork violently gay.
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49xjohn wrote:

Mike Pence is a dork violently gay.


Using it as an insult or "he should be ashamed about it" is fun when it suits, isn't it?
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GameCrossing wrote:
49xjohn wrote:

Mike Pence is a dork violently gay.


Using it as an insult or "he should be ashamed about it" is fun when it suits, isn't it?


That's not what he means. It's the fact that Pence would be horrified by the implication he's gay.

Anecdote time. We had a pretty vocal conservative in our research group. He would routinely pontificate about his views on LGBT people. Anyways, it annoyed one of the gay members of our group. So he'd sometimes stand super close to this conservative guy to make him uncomfortable. I didn't feel sorry for this conservative guy. It was totally on him that he felt uncomfortable.
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Trump is an idiot who has always believed that his money can buy absolutely anything.

Pence is a vile person.

Neither are fit to be POTUS.
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Sue_G wrote:
GameCrossing wrote:
49xjohn wrote:

Mike Pence is a dork violently gay.


Using it as an insult or "he should be ashamed about it" is fun when it suits, isn't it?


That's not what he means. It's the fact that Pence would be horrified by the implication he's gay.

Anecdote time. We had a pretty vocal conservative in our research group. He would routinely pontificate about his views on LGBT people. Anyways, it annoyed one of the gay members of our group. So he'd sometimes stand super close to this conservative guy to make him uncomfortable. I didn't feel sorry for this conservative guy. It was totally on him that he felt uncomfortable.


So it's only okay to use minority sexuality as a punchline if the person it's aimed at would be wigged out by it. Check.
 
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GameCrossing wrote:
So it's only okay to use minority sexuality as a punchline if the person it's aimed at would be wigged out by it. Check.


I write short sentences.
 
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GameCrossing wrote:
Sue_G wrote:
GameCrossing wrote:
49xjohn wrote:

Mike Pence is a dork violently gay.


Using it as an insult or "he should be ashamed about it" is fun when it suits, isn't it?


That's not what he means. It's the fact that Pence would be horrified by the implication he's gay.

Anecdote time. We had a pretty vocal conservative in our research group. He would routinely pontificate about his views on LGBT people. Anyways, it annoyed one of the gay members of our group. So he'd sometimes stand super close to this conservative guy to make him uncomfortable. I didn't feel sorry for this conservative guy. It was totally on him that he felt uncomfortable.


So it's only okay to use minority sexuality as a punchline if the person it's aimed at would be wigged out by it. Check.


Is there some "holier than thou" quota you're trying to meet? You've been on a roll lately.
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GameCrossing wrote:
Sue_G wrote:
GameCrossing wrote:
49xjohn wrote:

Mike Pence is a dork violently gay.


Using it as an insult or "he should be ashamed about it" is fun when it suits, isn't it?


That's not what he means. It's the fact that Pence would be horrified by the implication he's gay.

Anecdote time. We had a pretty vocal conservative in our research group. He would routinely pontificate about his views on LGBT people. Anyways, it annoyed one of the gay members of our group. So he'd sometimes stand super close to this conservative guy to make him uncomfortable. I didn't feel sorry for this conservative guy. It was totally on him that he felt uncomfortable.


So it's only okay to use minority sexuality as a punchline if the person it's aimed at would be wigged out by it. Check.


Is there some "holier than thou" quota you're trying to meet? You've been on a roll lately.


"It's not okay to use homosexuality as a slur."

"People who are wigged out by gays are sooooooo like totally gay."

"Why are you being such an uptight buzzkill? Sheesh...."

I'm up to speed on this, yeah?
 
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GameCrossing wrote:
Sue_G wrote:
GameCrossing wrote:
49xjohn wrote:

Mike Pence is a dork violently gay.


Using it as an insult or "he should be ashamed about it" is fun when it suits, isn't it?


That's not what he means. It's the fact that Pence would be horrified by the implication he's gay.

Anecdote time. We had a pretty vocal conservative in our research group. He would routinely pontificate about his views on LGBT people. Anyways, it annoyed one of the gay members of our group. So he'd sometimes stand super close to this conservative guy to make him uncomfortable. I didn't feel sorry for this conservative guy. It was totally on him that he felt uncomfortable.


So it's only okay to use minority sexuality as a punchline if the person it's aimed at would be wigged out by it. Check.


Did you just say gay people can't make gay jokes?
 
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GameCrossing wrote:
Sue_G wrote:
GameCrossing wrote:
49xjohn wrote:

Mike Pence is a dork violently gay.


Using it as an insult or "he should be ashamed about it" is fun when it suits, isn't it?


That's not what he means. It's the fact that Pence would be horrified by the implication he's gay.

Anecdote time. We had a pretty vocal conservative in our research group. He would routinely pontificate about his views on LGBT people. Anyways, it annoyed one of the gay members of our group. So he'd sometimes stand super close to this conservative guy to make him uncomfortable. I didn't feel sorry for this conservative guy. It was totally on him that he felt uncomfortable.


So it's only okay to use minority sexuality as a punchline if the person it's aimed at would be wigged out by it. Check.


Yes, that's totally what I said.

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GameCrossing wrote:


"It's not okay to use homosexuality as a slur."

"People who are wigged out by gays are sooooooo like totally gay."

"Why are you being such an uptight buzzkill? Sheesh...."

I'm up to speed on this, yeah?


So yes then, you're on a holier than thou spree?

I'm up to speed on this, yeah?

While you're at it, why don't you pop into the drinking thread to chastise some more folks?
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Sue_G wrote:
GameCrossing wrote:


"It's not okay to use homosexuality as a slur."

"People who are wigged out by gays are sooooooo like totally gay."

"Why are you being such an uptight buzzkill? Sheesh...."

I'm up to speed on this, yeah?


So yes then, you're on a holier than thou spree?

I'm up to speed on this, yeah?

While you're at it, why don't you pop into the drinking thread to chastise some more folks?


Because that would be me projecting my values onto others, not their own values.
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The problem isn't Mike Pence being gay for Trump, it's that Pence is a rapid anti-LGBTQ homophobe who then emits this amazing gayness sometimes. It's not making jokes at him for being gay, but for projecting as a complete fucking creepy hypocrite. If he suddenly came out as gay, do you think people would chastise him? Would it be a slur? No, we would embrace him embracing his truth. Being gay is not a problem or a joke. Being a dick to gay people and then eyefucking Donald Trump is.
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The problem isn't Mike Pence being gay for Trump, it's that Pence is a rapid anti-LGBTQ homophobe who then emits this amazing gayness sometimes. It's not making jokes at him for being gay, but for projecting as a complete fucking creepy hypocrite. If he suddenly came out as gay, do you think people would chastise him? Would it be a slur? No, we would embrace him embracing his truth. Being gay is not a problem or a joke. Being a dick to gay people and then eyefucking Donald Trump is.


I get all that about Pence. But the why still doesn't make the double-standard of the how vanish.
 
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The problem isn't Mike Pence being gay for Trump


Anyway Trump is already taken (with Hannity), and I doubt he would enjoy a threesome with the two of them, as this is not very Christian.

On the other hand, as long as they go against abortion, they'll never lose the religious block, so who knows. Maybe right now as we speak, Donny is enjoying is golden shower, courtesy of Mike and Sean.....


 
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49xjohn wrote:

Mike Pence is a dork violently gay.


no, he isn't

i know everybody knows about that one study where the homophobes were more likely to be aroused by gay porn than straight men who weren't homophobes, but everybody forgets it was just a notably higher incidence rate of arousal, not a 1:1 correlation by any means

most homophobes are just shitty straight men, and the "oh ho he's secretly gay" thing always feels like an attempt to deflect their shit attitudes away from straight men generally or an unconscious choice to make homophobia also the fault of gay men somehow
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LolaGranola wrote:
The problem isn't Mike Pence being gay for Trump, it's that Pence is a rapid anti-LGBTQ homophobe who then emits this amazing gayness sometimes. It's not making jokes at him for being gay, but for projecting as a complete fucking creepy hypocrite. If he suddenly came out as gay, do you think people would chastise him? Would it be a slur? No, we would embrace him embracing his truth. Being gay is not a problem or a joke. Being a dick to gay people and then eyefucking Donald Trump is.


Ok I thought it was a joke... that by adding certain music you could sexualize something and make is seem like something it isn't.

A joke I didn't think was actually funny but is in line with lots of similarly done supposedly comic bits I don't think are funny.

But if you actually think he is demonstrating some kind of genuine sexual lust for Trump ... that is just silly.
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GameCrossing does have a point, had a conservative did the same thing as an alleged "ironic" joke, they would have been "holier than thou'd" as a homophobe. If we really want to end hate speech towards violently oppressed minorities like homosexuals, we really need to have zero tolerance. If you give bigots even and inch to make "jokes" they will make the gay population suffer endlessly. Next we'll start wink-nudging black jokes about the Brain Surgeon in Trump's employ. Just better off avoiding the whole vein of humor as it probably does more harm than good.

If that makes me holier-than-thou, then it just validates what I already suspected
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The more I think on it, the more I think that the reason this falls flat to me and seems as more harm than good is that the joke is directed at the choir and not at Pence. I remembered interacting with jcobert and posting flirty Judas Priest videos at him because he had said something about Rob Halford once and was showing signs of being a homophobe. It had a similar feel to this except that I was directing the irony right at the subject in order for them to confront their own views. Stuff like the Pence thing is going to fly under the radar of Pence which then is pretty much for just "our team" to giggle about, which makes it worthless as irony and harmful for actually dismantling stereotypes.
 
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It isn't exactly rare for publicly virulent homophobes to actually be gay themselves.

Whatever the case, whenever they're in the same frame, Mike Pence definitely seems to be loving Trump with his eyes. And its gross. Yick.
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GameCrossing does have a point, had a conservative did the same thing as an alleged "ironic" joke, they would have been "holier than thou'd" as a homophobe. If we really want to end hate speech towards violently oppressed minorities like homosexuals, we really need to have zero tolerance. If you give bigots even and inch to make "jokes" they will make the gay population suffer endlessly. Next we'll start wink-nudging black jokes about the Brain Surgeon in Trump's employ. Just better off avoiding the whole vein of humor as it probably does more harm than good.

If that makes me holier-than-thou, then it just validates what I already suspected


If a conservative made a joke about someone being gay, it would be something like that one thread about a liberal and how he was dressed in a video (I think it was DW who started it). "He's so gay, look how he's dressed!" They would mean it as an insult - "Who'd dress like that who is a real man?" Gay as effeminate.

The joke in this thread is about how horrified Pence would be if anyone called him gay. Because he holds those same sentiments.

They aren't the same type of humor.
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