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Mimikyu wrote:
I think it's a bit odd to jump to specifically the villagers being evil. I'm most suspicious of our hunter.
Who claimed hunter?
 
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jwandke wrote:
I think it would be helpful if a few more people would talk about whether their role title corresponds with the traditional alignment of that role.

You wouldn't have to reveal your role or alignment, but just whether it squares up normally or not.
Mine is the normal correspondence.
 
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jwandke wrote:
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jwandke wrote:
I think it would be helpful if a few more people would talk about whether their role title corresponds with the traditional alignment of that role.

You wouldn't have to reveal your role or alignment, but just whether it squares up normally or not.

Mine fits as expected.

Just checking in. Will read up on what I missed later.

Was there something in particular that's driving the thought that alignments might not match up with roles in the regular way?

About half the people here are openly claiming to be good werewolves.
3 to be exact.
 
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Jwandke, are you claiming to be in a chat with another wolf? If so, who is it?
 
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With Trigun being this lock consensus good read for so many people, I find it really bizarre that she's alive. There's a threshold where if she's still alive she should probably be murdalated.
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Royalflush wrote:
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Rules say 2 werewolves, we have 3 claims already. Rules don't explicitly eliminate the possibility of a third, however.
I'm going to disagree.

The Rules wrote:
Things that will be in the game:
- Two Werewolves

The rules specifically state there are 2 werewolves in the game. They did not say "at least 2 werewolves." That difference in wording is key.

It's the same as if you were to ask someone "How many apples do you have?" Then they answer "2." That does not mean that they have 2 or more apples. It means that they have 2 apples.


Therefore, we have at least 1 player lying to us currently.

To be clear- this is not accurate. The roles are: Two wolves, Sorcerer, Seer, Priest, Hunter, 3 Villagers, and two other roles. The roles could be anything, including things that already exist in the game.
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Looks like my 2Mil vote didn't take - [vote twomillion]
 
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VOTE TALLY

Player (11/11) - # - Voted by

Mimikyu - 2 - twomillionbucks(1), SerWave(5)
tern73 - 1 - Mimikyu(2), SerWave(3)
Amekins - 1 - tern73(4)
twomillionbucks - 1 - Royalflush(6)

Not Voting: Amekins, AnneAa, dejojam1, jwandke, kuchick, whirlingdervish


Nightfall votes are denoted by an '*' after the player's name.

Your Moderator has chosen to use the Longest Held Last Vote method for a tiebreaker - This is just for Cassandra system, and there may be a different tiebreaker specified by your Moderator in the ruleset.

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INVERTED TALLY

Voter - # - Voted on

Mimikyu - 1 - tern73(2)
Royalflush - 1 - twomillionbucks(6)
SerWave - 2 - tern73(3), Mimikyu(5)
tern73 - 1 - Amekins(4)
twomillionbucks - 1 - Mimikyu(1)

Not Voting: Amekins, AnneAa, dejojam1, jwandke, kuchick, whirlingdervish
 
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ljtrigirl wrote:
To be clear- this is not accurate. The roles are: Two wolves, Sorcerer, Seer, Priest, Hunter, 3 Villagers, and two other roles. The roles could be anything, including things that already exist in the game.

Thanks for the clarification.

For the future, stating the 2 Other roles could be duplicates of the existing roles would be helpful.
 
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Royalflush wrote:
SerWave wrote:
Rules say 2 werewolves, we have 3 claims already. Rules don't explicitly eliminate the possibility of a third, however.
I'm going to disagree.

The Rules wrote:
Things that will be in the game:
- Two Werewolves

The rules specifically state there are 2 werewolves in the game. They did not say "at least 2 werewolves." That difference in wording is key.

It's the same as if you were to ask someone "How many apples do you have?" Then they answer "2." That does not mean that they have 2 or more apples. It means that they have 2 apples.


Therefore, we have at least 1 player lying to us currently.

If there are three werewolves in the game, there are also two werewolves.
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Royalflush wrote:
Jwandke, are you claiming to be in a chat with another wolf? If so, who is it?

No. I have nothing cool.
I am called werewolf, but it is what we all know to be a villager.
 
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Royalflush wrote:
jwandke wrote:
Good morning. I am a werewolf, but I am on team good, and I have no powers, abilities, or team chat.
This is a trick game, and I am hoping that the majority of players are on my side (??)
Interesting...

Why are you not sure if the majority of players are on your side?
The Rules wrote:
A majority Good Team that is trying to kill the Max Evils

Because my role is weird. Am I counted as a werewolf or a villager on that rules posting you’re quoting? I don’t know.
 
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jwandke wrote:
Royalflush wrote:
Jwandke, are you claiming to be in a chat with another wolf? If so, who is it?

No. I have nothing cool.
I am called werewolf, but it is what we all know to be a villager.

You might be a cub.
Yes there are night kills. I dont think we should share who we intend to target.
 
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I have a chat with tern. The trick is roles and alignment aren't matched.
Can you make a nk? Or have any influence over it?
Same question to jwandke and Tern.

You are asking a lot of questions that I feel I have already answered.
I do not night kill.

My role makes me think that VILLAGERS are probably team evil with night kill ability.

Again, if a few more people would say whether or not their role matches up with the traditional good/evil alignment, that would help.
I’m anticipating good sorc and evil seer, etc. But so far, it doesn’t sound like anyone else (besides self-identified werewolves) is experiencing this.

But enough about my thoughts, rf. Can you add any info or help here?
 
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With Trigun being this lock consensus good read for so many people, I find it really bizarre that she's alive. There's a threshold where if she's still alive she should probably be murdalated.
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Players with chats in this game should feel free to GM each other. Just please CC me as well.

No updates yet on the non-functional chat side of things, but I will keep you posted!
 
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Mimikyu wrote:
jwandke wrote:
Royalflush wrote:
Jwandke, are you claiming to be in a chat with another wolf? If so, who is it?

No. I have nothing cool.
I am called werewolf, but it is what we all know to be a villager.

You might be a cub.
Yes there are night kills. I dont think we should share who we intend to target.

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Mimikyu wrote:
I have a chat with tern. The trick is roles and alignment aren't matched.
Can you make a nk? Or have any influence over it?
Same question to jwandke and Tern.

You are asking a lot of questions that I feel I have already answered.
I do not night kill.

My role makes me think that VILLAGERS are probably team evil with night kill ability.

Again, if a few more people would say whether or not their role matches up with the traditional good/evil alignment, that would help.
I’m anticipating good sorc and evil seer, etc. But so far, it doesn’t sound like anyone else (besides self-identified werewolves) is experiencing this.

But enough about my thoughts, rf. Can you add any info or help here?

Interesting. One of our wolf claimants says they have a kill; the other does not.

Last game, I was a lone wolf with a nightkill that I was told may or may not go off.

I was also told I was evil, though.
 
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Mimikyu wrote:
jwandke wrote:
Royalflush wrote:
Jwandke, are you claiming to be in a chat with another wolf? If so, who is it?

No. I have nothing cool.
I am called werewolf, but it is what we all know to be a villager.

You might be a cub.
Yes there are night kills. I dont think we should share who we intend to target.

jwandke wrote:
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Royalflush wrote:
Mimikyu wrote:
I have a chat with tern. The trick is roles and alignment aren't matched.
Can you make a nk? Or have any influence over it?
Same question to jwandke and Tern.

You are asking a lot of questions that I feel I have already answered.
I do not night kill.

My role makes me think that VILLAGERS are probably team evil with night kill ability.

Again, if a few more people would say whether or not their role matches up with the traditional good/evil alignment, that would help.
I’m anticipating good sorc and evil seer, etc. But so far, it doesn’t sound like anyone else (besides self-identified werewolves) is experiencing this.

But enough about my thoughts, rf. Can you add any info or help here?

Interesting. One of our wolf claimants says they have a kill; the other does not.

Last game, I was a lone wolf with a nightkill that I was told may or may not go off.

I was also told I was evil, though.


There are three Known ww here, not two.
I read mimikyu confirming the rules, there is a nk, not saying that he has the nk. He should clarify.
 
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Royalflush wrote:
SerWave wrote:
Rules say 2 werewolves, we have 3 claims already. Rules don't explicitly eliminate the possibility of a third, however.
I'm going to disagree.

The Rules wrote:
Things that will be in the game:
- Two Werewolves

The rules specifically state there are 2 werewolves in the game. They did not say "at least 2 werewolves." That difference in wording is key.

It's the same as if you were to ask someone "How many apples do you have?" Then they answer "2." That does not mean that they have 2 or more apples. It means that they have 2 apples.


Therefore, we have at least 1 player lying to us currently.

It would be weird if no one was lying in a game of ww. I do not think that falsely claiming to be a ww is a a very safe or smart lie though.
 
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I made a table of alignment information...

Amek: absent
Anne: absent
Dejo: normal
Jwan: reversed
Kuch: silent
Mimi: reversed
Roya: normal
SerW: normal
Tern: reversed
TwoM: silent
Whir: normal


Based on this, it looks like only ww is reversed. More than 3 people have said their alignment is normal, so you guys cannot all be lying.

If I were lying and evil when I jumped out and claimed this, the entire evil team would not have followed me out into the open. We are not all bad either.
 
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jwandke wrote:

There are three Known ww here, not two.
I read mimikyu confirming the rules, there is a nk, not saying that he has the nk. He should clarify.

He said that he and his 'wolf partner' could target it.
 
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Mimik and I have a NK.
 
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tern73 wrote:
I'm very excited to play again. A little nervous due to my workload, but I have muscle memory for some things:

[vote amekins]
hi!

Also I have only ever played with jwandke and kuchick once each and always in big games, so a further hello to you

Hi wolf!
 
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tern73 wrote:
I'm very excited to play again. A little nervous due to my workload, but I have muscle memory for some things:

[vote amekins]
hi!

Also I have only ever played with jwandke and kuchick once each and always in big games, so a further hello to you
The way the first one of these went was pretty quickly, so just keep that in mind. Not guaranteed to happen this time obviously
I don't normally read old games but I have no idea what is going on with this one so I'll check it out.

I also don't read old games. please report back what you find. you know.. for us to verify things and only completely b/c I want to use you for research.
I skimmed the game but haven't read it in detail. The main conceit seems to be more or less "take a mechanic or idea and turn it around". Like in the first game there was good conversion.

If this game follows that idea then I think it's too early to say what the idea is (maybe we won't be able to tell until after the game).

Based on what I know it could be something like
- evil doesn't directly control any kills
- wolves are good, but still kill

At minimum Mimik and I are in a chat, are both wolves, and have a kill but don't have mod confirmation of each other's alignment. So I guess something he and I need to do is find each other one way or another.
 
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jwandke wrote:
Good morning. I am a werewolf, but I am on team good, and I have no powers, abilities, or team chat.
This is a trick game, and I am hoping that the majority of players are on my side (??)

Hi Jon!
 
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Mimikyu wrote:
I have a chat with tern. The trick is roles and alignment aren't matched.

What do you mean by this?
 
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Mimikyu wrote:
ljtrigirl wrote:
Things that will be in the game:
- Two Werewolves
- A Sorcerer
- A Seer
- A Priest
- A Hunter
- Three Villagers
- Two Other Roles
- A Lynch
- A NightKill
- A majority Good Team that is trying to kill the Max Evils
- A minority Evil Team that is trying to reach parity between Maxes and everyone else

Things that may be in this game:
- False Reveals
- False Views
- Multiple Neutrals

But it'll still be fun. Nothing else is guaranteed. If people enjoy it, I have a few more that I could run!

The moderators will not lie to you at all during this game, guaranteed. Like, I know that this is a trick game, but you will not be lied to (outside of reveals and views maybe).

I totally read that bolded part in my head in LJs voice.
 
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