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I'll tell you a secret: nobody knows how to read anybody as "good" or "evil". There's only two reads, "weird" and "not weird", and "weird" is generally conflated with "evil". This is a little tough on newbies since no one knows them.

That said- while discussing the state of the forum and werewolf strategy is very reasonable, please be careful not to speak about ongoing games.
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twomillionbucks wrote:
I'll tell you a secret: nobody knows how to read anybody as "good" or "evil". There's only two reads, "weird" and "not weird", and "weird" is generally conflated with "evil". This is a little tough on newbies since no one knows them.

Yeah, because all of you are vets from other forums that are now inactive. But you guys treat it as harassment. Which why I'm leaving. Learn how to treat newbies better and they'll be more likely to stay

That said- while discussing the state of the forum and werewolf strategy is very reasonable, please be careful not to speak about ongoing games.

Don't worry, your game might as well be my last
 
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And there's the other points I made as well in my top post
 
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why does this need to be an announcement? is this an incentive to get people to change play styles? part of werewolf is that everyone gets accused of being a werewolf at some time ... I would worry if there was a player that everyone trusted no matter what each game
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Raven, I'm sorry you've had a rough time.
I don't know all the specifics, but I feel like we should reflect on this as a community and see how we can improve to be more welcoming for newcomers.
We can be a pretty intimidating group, from my perspective at least.
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MunchWolf wrote:
why does this need to be an announcement? is this an incentive to get people to change play styles? part of werewolf is that everyone gets accused of being a werewolf at some time ... I would worry if there was a player that everyone trusted no matter what each game

Yeah but if I'm one who gets accused at every first lynch, then I feel like it's harassment
 
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shawnad2006 wrote:
Raven, I'm sorry you've had a rough time.
I don't know all the specifics, but I feel like we should reflect on this as a community and see how we can improve to be more welcoming for newcomers.
We can be a pretty intimidating group, from my perspective at least.

How about stopping with the whole entire "reads" thing? Because that is the thing that screws people over. Let alone that it could lead to bias in a few ways.
 
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Raven1207 wrote:
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Raven, I'm sorry you've had a rough time.
I don't know all the specifics, but I feel like we should reflect on this as a community and see how we can improve to be more welcoming for newcomers.
We can be a pretty intimidating group, from my perspective at least.

How about stopping with the whole entire "reads" thing? Because that is the thing that screws people over. Let alone that it could lead to bias in a few ways.

I'm not sure I follow you here. Werewolf is a game based on giving opinions/reads of people and whether they are good or evil.
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shawnad2006 wrote:
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Raven, I'm sorry you've had a rough time.
I don't know all the specifics, but I feel like we should reflect on this as a community and see how we can improve to be more welcoming for newcomers.
We can be a pretty intimidating group, from my perspective at least.

How about stopping with the whole entire "reads" thing? Because that is the thing that screws people over. Let alone that it could lead to bias in a few ways.

I'm not sure I follow you here. Werewolf is a game based on giving opinions/reads of people and whether they are good or evil.

Yeah but by feeling or actual proof(like info)? Because players having a feeling that someone is good or bad promotes bias
 
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Raven1207 wrote:
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Raven, I'm sorry you've had a rough time.
I don't know all the specifics, but I feel like we should reflect on this as a community and see how we can improve to be more welcoming for newcomers.
We can be a pretty intimidating group, from my perspective at least.

How about stopping with the whole entire "reads" thing? Because that is the thing that screws people over. Let alone that it could lead to bias in a few ways.

I'm not sure I follow you here. Werewolf is a game based on giving opinions/reads of people and whether they are good or evil.

Yeah but by feeling or actual proof(like info)? Because players having a feeling that someone is good or bad promotes bias

There is rarely solid proof in WW though. Especially on D1.
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I don’t play werewolf but this type of bad blood / I’m leaving or I’m offended announcement happens fairly often in your crowd. Why is that?

I guess werewolves are sensitive?
 
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Because the game is about tricking each other and getting tricked and learning how to deal with that. It's kind of unpleasant more often than not. I'm, personally, not very good at it.. which is why I keep coming back here. So I can learn to cope with all the aspects of it better.

But yeah, lots of people don't like to do things that don't come easy to them.
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Raven1207 wrote:
shawnad2006 wrote:
Raven, I'm sorry you've had a rough time.
I don't know all the specifics, but I feel like we should reflect on this as a community and see how we can improve to be more welcoming for newcomers.
We can be a pretty intimidating group, from my perspective at least.

How about stopping with the whole entire "reads" thing? Because that is the thing that screws people over. Let alone that it could lead to bias in a few ways.

I'm sorry Raven, but that's how werewolf works. It is about reads, not proof. If you have a problem with that, then it might actually not be the best game for you.

Hope that doesn't sound too harsh. I do understand your frustration and I'm sorry that you feel that way.
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Raven1207 wrote:
Because

A) You guys put so many post on there and then blame me for not posting anything after you guys go through 3 pages in under a minute

B) You guys always lynch me on the first lynch regardless if I claimed a role or not.

C) You guys always suspect me in every game because you are comparing me to a previous game that acted like such and such and that it must be he bad or whatever. I try to mix it up but apparently that's must be my worst pokerface then.

Hi Raven, I am sorry about your feelings and I understand them.
I speak as a distant satellite member of the werewolf community.
This game is prone to create lot of frustration, especially when played on a forum with mostly unknown people and without the typical facial/body language messages that tell you "hey, it is a game and we are having fun together". And I really feel sorry when I have to tell lies and falsely accuse other people.
The point is that the people are mostly unknown to me and, I suspect, to you. But the core community is quite close and there are accepted norms and codes difficult to understand (and the language barrier is also point for me).
And some of the members are very protective. Sometimes it looks, to an external player, that I am trying to penetrate a shell and I get bumped outside. Did I knock too hard?
This is a game I cannot play very often. But sometimes I come back, I have fun and get frustrated at the same time. I accept it and find it nice.

I am not giving any type of advice, but I admit I would b glad to play werewolf with you.


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You can investigate and trick people in the game, I know that. But piling votes on the same person who many games on the first lynch feels like I'm getting harassed.
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Make newbies feel more welcomed in the game more and they'll be more willing to stay.
 
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If you guys can't do that, then what is the reason of having new people join. Especially since most of are vets
 
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And how about actually giving people time to get used to Cassandra. I was trying to retract my vote one game and it help when people said, "oh he still has his vote on such and such". That's the one thing I think some of the vets here need to learn. You make it we have to be experts at coding regardless if we've played 1 game or 10 games
 
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Raven1207 wrote:
Make newbies feel more welcomed in the game more and they'll be more willing to stay.

We do have a rule in our Hi games that we won't vote a new person out on their first D1 (as you saw in Hi 204), but you can't be protected indefinitely. Being a Werewolf in your 2nd and 3rd games was rough for you, but the whole aim of the game is to find people who are Werewolves and kill them.

How would you suggest that we make newcomers feel more welcome? You were offered a mentor in the Hi game and didn't take one, and that's one method we use to help people get used to the game. You also jumped into more complex games quite quickly.
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Raven1207 wrote:
MunchWolf wrote:
why does this need to be an announcement? is this an incentive to get people to change play styles? part of werewolf is that everyone gets accused of being a werewolf at some time ... I would worry if there was a player that everyone trusted no matter what each game

Yeah but if I'm one who gets accused at every first lynch, then I feel like it's harassment

I haven't played with you, but do you know why you get accused at every first lynch?
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Raven1207 wrote:
shawnad2006 wrote:
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shawnad2006 wrote:
Raven, I'm sorry you've had a rough time.
I don't know all the specifics, but I feel like we should reflect on this as a community and see how we can improve to be more welcoming for newcomers.
We can be a pretty intimidating group, from my perspective at least.

How about stopping with the whole entire "reads" thing? Because that is the thing that screws people over. Let alone that it could lead to bias in a few ways.

I'm not sure I follow you here. Werewolf is a game based on giving opinions/reads of people and whether they are good or evil.

Yeah but by feeling or actual proof(like info)? Because players having a feeling that someone is good or bad promotes bias

sounds like good special hunting to me
 
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mfl134 wrote:
Raven1207 wrote:
shawnad2006 wrote:
Raven1207 wrote:
shawnad2006 wrote:
Raven, I'm sorry you've had a rough time.
I don't know all the specifics, but I feel like we should reflect on this as a community and see how we can improve to be more welcoming for newcomers.
We can be a pretty intimidating group, from my perspective at least.

How about stopping with the whole entire "reads" thing? Because that is the thing that screws people over. Let alone that it could lead to bias in a few ways.

I'm not sure I follow you here. Werewolf is a game based on giving opinions/reads of people and whether they are good or evil.

Yeah but by feeling or actual proof(like info)? Because players having a feeling that someone is good or bad promotes bias

sounds like good special hunting to me

You might not have, but there's R.A., Rahob or Rohab(forgot which one is correct) and a few others
 
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Claudinko wrote:

Hi Raven, I am sorry about your feelings and I understand them.
I speak as a distant satellite member of the werewolf community.
This game is prone to create lot of frustration, especially when played on a forum with mostly unknown people and without the typical facial/body language messages that tell you "hey, it is a game and we are having fun together". And I really feel sorry when I have to tell lies and falsely accuse other people.
I would note that for a person like me, who often has trouble reading facial and body language messages IRL, the forum format can be a good thing, because it brings everyone down to the same playing field. I don't necessarily play for the feelings of tricking or being tricked, but sometimes so that other people can go "whoa, that wasn't what I expected" and experience a little more of how I feel all the time.

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And some of the members are very protective. Sometimes it looks, to an external player, that I am trying to penetrate a shell and I get bumped outside. Did I knock too hard?
This is extremely true.

twomil: It's a fair bet that at any given moment my mind is swirling with interwoven thoughts about the state of the game (normally werewolf, sometimes a random game)/community meta/etc but it's hard for me to break them down into human-sized chunks. I don't want to talk over or distract from Raven's issues though.
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Raven1207 wrote:
Make newbies feel more welcomed in the game more and they'll be more willing to stay.

We do have a rule in our Hi games that we won't vote a new person out on their first D1 (as you saw in Hi 204), but you can't be protected indefinitely. Being a Werewolf in your 2nd and 3rd games was rough for you, but the whole aim of the game is to find people who are Werewolves and kill them.

I died early in the game and had almost 3 or 4 people voting against me because they I was worried about a mis-lynch

How would you suggest that we make newcomers feel more welcome? You were offered a mentor in the Hi game and didn't take one, and that's one method we use to help people get used to the game. You also jumped into more complex games quite quickly.

I think you got it wrong on the mentor thing. I was offered one and took it but I didn't get that much help from them. I apologise if I offended anyone but saying that. Also, the whole "difficult scale" is only based on how the mod thinks about the game.
 
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Raven1207 wrote:
And how about actually giving people time to get used to Cassandra. I was trying to retract my vote one game and it help when people said, "oh he still has his vote on such and such". That's the one thing I think some of the vets here need to learn. You make it we have to be experts at coding regardless if we've played 1 game or 10 games

Hi Raven, I apologize for my part in making you feel unwelcome. It was not my intention to make fun of you at all but I realized after the fact, especially after whirling pointed it out, that it could easily seem that way.

I'm not sure if you saw my post I made to you shortly after you were just lynched here:

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LOL that Raven is still in line for a hotdog.

It's like his third serious game and everyone spent the last ten minutes yelling that he was evil, but sure, let's laugh at him for not moving?

Sorry, I'm not trying to make fun of you, Raven. You're not doing anything wrong for a new player. Keep asking questions and learning as you go!

I had just found the imagery amusing that there's a massive lynch mob rioting around you, but you're calmly standing there patiently waiting in line for your hotdog.

It was more of a mental image that I just thought made for a rather amusing scene.
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