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This is a US shipping math trade. To participate you must be able to receive at a US address. If you are shipping from outside the US, you must explicitly disclose this.

Please note that there are several recent additions / changes to the rules. They are typically in bold with a ***NEW*** indication.

DATES
Deadline to submit offers: Sunday, November 11th, 12:30 AM Pacific
Deadline to submit wants: Sunday, November 18th, 12:30 AM Pacific
**Please note the AM deadlines.**


Shipping: Should you not specify any shipping conditions, you bear the full shipping cost to any US address. You may not list any shipping conditions that pertain to the contiguous 48 states. Items that you'll be sending via USPS flat rate or 1st class ship for the same amount to all 50 states. The less you restrict your shipping, the more potential you have that it will trade. That is all that will be said about the matter. cool

Trade Geeklist: https://boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/247984/november-18-us-mat...
Wishlist: https://boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/247986/november-18-us-mat...

MATH TRADE RULES AND GUIDELINES:

OLWLG REQUIRED
1. Use of the On-Line Want List Generator (OLWLG) is required for this math trade. (http://bgg.activityclub.org/olwlg/) Please get comfortable with it before the end of the trade. If you have questions, I suggest you post them in the discussion thread (link above). Myself or other users are happy to help you. There are several useful links to help you learn how to use the OLWLG at the bottom of this post.

ITEMS ALLOWED
2. Board and card games, BGG-related items, RPG items, video games, cash equivalent items (gift certificates, PayPal, etc.), and Geek Gold are allowed in this math trade. Cash equivalent items will need to be entered in the marketplace so BGG can collect their 3% commission for sales. Click here for more information on these Guidelines.

ARBITRAGE
3. Absolutely no GC/GG arbitrage, meaning you may not trade any gift card or GG lot for one of greater value. I will allow you to trade GC's for equal or lesser valued actual, physical GC's. Remember, if you intend to trade for cash equivalents, you must pay BGG a 3% commission. (See Guidelines link in rule #2, above)

You may not both simultaneously buy GG for cash equivalents and sell GG for cash equivalents in the same trade. Meaning if you intend to offer GG and request CE's for those listings, you may not also offer CE's and request GG, or vice versa. You may either be a buyer or seller, but not both during the same trade. This does not apply to any transaction where an actual game is being traded, strictly GG for CE and CE for GG transactions.

***NEW*** If, when the trade is run, there is a case of arbitrage, that user (including all of their items and wants) will be removed from the trade and the trade will be re-run. At the discretion of the moderator, that user may be banned from participating in future math trades.

***NEW*** Be cautious when using the OLWLG auto-check feature. It is not aware of the rules against arbitrage and will check boxes that may result in arbitrage. It is YOUR RESPONSIBILITY to review the checks that the auto-check feature generates.

ITEM DESCRIPTION
4. You must describe, as accurately as possible, the condition of the components and box, the language, and edition of your item and any sweeteners. You must (with the exception of items that are new in factory shrink wrap, ie NIS) inventory the game's components and list anything missing and/or damaged. If you do not, the game is expected to be complete, in like-new condition and be the most recent English edition.

***NEW*** If you list the condition of the item as anything less than excellent, you should be describing the issue(s) making you rate it less than excellent.

***NEW*** Language such as "components not inventoried", "no guarantee", "recipient's responsibility to contact publisher in the event of missing pieces", etc. is NOT ALLOWED. Listings with such disclaimers will be removed from the trade. At the moderator's discretion, the user may be removed from the trade.

5. Add sweeteners by typing the name of the game into the "board game" box of drop down menu so they properly display in the OLWLG.

6. Do not use a item type listing for an item unless you are offering that item, this also applies to listings using hyperlinks in the description. For example, do not list the item as the game if you're only offering certain components for that game. When in doubt, use "outside the scope of BGG" as the main listing.

7. Items may be edited after listing. ***NEW*** This editing MAY include downgrading the initial listing. Should changes to a listing be made, the OLWLG will alert all users who have already selected the item as a want. It is THEIR responsibility to review and accept the changes (or remove the item from their wantlist).

8. If you wish to remove an item for consideration, DELETE the item. The OLWLG handles this just fine (See #9, below).

9. Subscribe to any and all items you are interested in, rather than writing down the number. If you write down the number and an item gets removed, the number will change.

PARTICIPANT OBLIGATIONS
10. Please subscribe to all of your listings and publicly acknowledge all questions. The OLWLG will let you know if any of your items have unanswered comments.

11. It is customary to enter all trades into the BGG trading system. This is most easily done if the items you are trading are listed in your collection and are marked as "For Trade". Please endeavor to do so and to leave feedback once the trade is completed. Under most circumstances, positive feedback should be given for the empty half of the math trade.

12. PLEASE BE AWARE THAT ENTERING INTO THIS MATH TRADE IS A COMMITMENT TO TRADE THE ITEMS THAT YOU ARE INDICATING YOU ARE WILLING TO TRADE FOR YOUR WANTED ITEMS. IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO DOUBLE CHECK DUPLICATE PROTECTION AND CHECK BOXES. IF YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO TRADE ONE OF YOUR ITEMS FOR ANOTHER ITEM, DO NOT INCLUDE IT IN YOUR WANTLIST. THE RESULTS, ONCE POSTED, ARE BINDING.

MODERATOR RESPONSIBILITY
13. Only errors by the moderator will invalidate the results. In the case that there is a problem after the final results are posted, at most it will only invalidate the affected trade chain(s) and not the entire results set. In addition if the problem can be resolved by the most directly affected party or parties, then that is perfectly acceptable.

14. Decisions to anything that comes up regarding this math trade are decided by me. If you do not agree to me making such decisions, then don't participate in the math trade.


A general note:

While > 99% of the time trades go through smoothly, you are dealing with humans. Humans let other humans down and sometimes take advantage of them. Humans also sometimes make mistakes. If you are not ready to accept this fact, I suggest you refrain from entering this trade.

Please remember, every green check mark in the OLWLG means you are agreeing to make that trade. Once you submit your wants and the window to resubmit closes, you've agreed to those trades, and are expected to honor them, even in the event of a mistake.

I am running this trade because math trades are fun, exciting, and just plain awesome. Most of my collection has come from math trades. I am donating my time both for selfish reasons (to make trades) and out of gratitude to those that moderated the dozens of trades that I have enjoyed participating in. I am under no obligation to make everyone happy, nor will I try. Should you not like me or the way I run this trade, please refrain from entering.

HELPFUL LINKS
While there is a lot of useful information in these links, so of the information may be a bit outdated. The above rules of this trade take precedence over infomation in these links.
Math_Trades - If you're new to math trades, follow this link to learn the ropes.
Math Trades for Dummies - Another good intro.
Math Trade Walkthrough/FAQ for newbies - Another good resource with lots of answers to lots of frequently asked questions.
OLWLG - Read here for help using the On-Line Want List Generator to submit your want list.
Math Trade Video Tutorials - Tutorial videos
Rahdo Runs Through Math Trades video - covers all aspects of math trades

Please post in the discussion thread (link near the top) if you have any questions. Math trades might look a bit complicated at first, but they're really easy once you get the hang of them.

Good luck and happy trading!
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Thanks for running this again. I sat out for a couple months after a move, but went looking through last months discussion to see if there were indications about this month. When I saw the issue you had to deal with, on top of what happened in June, I could understand if you were getting tired of the responsibility. So please know that we do appreciate all your efforts.
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Captain N wrote:
Thanks for running this again. I sat out for a couple months after a move, but went looking through last months discussion to see if there were indications about this month. When I saw the issue you had to deal with, on top of what happened in June, I could understand if you were getting tired of the responsibility. So please know that we do appreciate all your efforts.
Hear hear!
 
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In the OLWLG this trade is listed as a no-shipping math trade. ?????
 
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When using OLWLG to add items from my collections, it is putting weird 1 digit numbers in for the imageID. This seems to be a new bug.

For now I'm deleting the wrong ID and going with the current default image.

I guess I can go back and edit the geeklist entry to show the image of the edition I'm offering, yes?
 
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rainbowrose wrote:
In the OLWLG this trade is listed as a no-shipping math trade. ?????
Give it a couple hours. That's the default until the moderator updates the setting.
 
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Is there any particular etiquette or expectations around someone wanting to participate in the Math Trade if they can't ship for at least one week after closing?

I'll be traveling for the Thanksgiving holidays and only back in town and able to ship from the 27th onwards, so I can list this as a note with the items being added to the geeklist (if that's considered acceptable?) or just not participate at all (if that's the expectation?).

Also, as a random aside, I noticed the wishlist link in the trade geeklist links off to the October '18 wishlist.
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Wishlist link in the geeklist goes to Octobers. Thanks for running these!!
 
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mfrankov wrote:
Is there any particular etiquette or expectations around someone wanting to participate in the Math Trade if they can't ship for at least one week after closing?
One week is not uncommon, but it's a good idea to mention that in the listing.
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cthompsonguy wrote:
mfrankov wrote:
Is there any particular etiquette or expectations around someone wanting to participate in the Math Trade if they can't ship for at least one week after closing?
One week is not uncommon, but it's a good idea to mention that in the listing.
I don't care when people ship as long as they communicate and are honest. If it would go longer than a week I would just mention you have special circumstances in the listing.
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It's probably not as good as everyone says it is....
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I wanted to be the first to thumb
 
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A slacker as usual...
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Can anyone help me figure out why the olwlg is not recognizing my altname tags (here and here)?
 
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wafflesnsegways wrote:
Can anyone help me figure out why the olwlg is not recognizing my altname tags (here and here)?
I'd guess it's the dash and the exclamation point, but can't be sure
 
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Something seems to be up with the minus signs on either side of the -altname-. One looks longer than the other. I'd re-type them.
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Hoping someone can help.

Stupid question:

I messed up my wants and tried to delete my duplicate protection dummies, but I can't. So when the time comes should I just create new dummies with custom names for the ones that I couldn't delete and leave the old ones trading nothing?
 
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Pretty much

You can delete regular items from your grid, but Created Dummy items are not able to be deleted. Dont know why, just have been in your shoes in past trades.
 
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Alternatively, once you understand how Dummy Items work, you could use the already created ones and manually click the check boxes.

This image should help you understand how:
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waleslie wrote:
Something seems to be up with the minus signs on either side of the -altname-. One looks longer than the other. I'd re-type them.
That must have been it - thanks.
 
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porkuslime wrote:
Pretty much

You can delete regular items from your grid, but Created Dummy items are not able to be deleted. Dont know why, just have been in your shoes in past trades.
How do you delete items from your list? I usually just submit empty want lists for them to get around it.

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For anything other than the undeletable dummy protection items, just enter "delete" into the white text box after the item's name, then click the "Confirm Changes" button at the bottom.
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waleslie wrote:
Alternatively, once you understand how Dummy Items work, you could use the already created ones and manually click the check boxes.

This image should help you understand how:
William, that totally makes sense! I can just add additional duplicates I find to the dummies and make sure they "want" themselves. Easy peasy.
 
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William, that totally makes sense! I can just add additional duplicates I find to the dummies and make sure they "want" themselves. Easy peasy.
I don't think duplicates dummies can want themselves. But you can add new items to a duplicate group, just as you say.

There is another way to do that as well. And in fact you have to make an effort to keep it from happening.

When you are in step 3 (adding items to you want list),

when you click the add button, a popup window comes up that lists all the items you are offering and asks "Which of your games would you trade for?" If you check some of those boxes, then when you get to step 4 (edit your wants) there will already be corresponding check marks. Or you can just click save and add the check marks later in step 4.

More importantly, if you have already created duplicate dummies, they will appear in the list of the popup as well and you can select one of them. And in fact, it is usually if not always already checked for you as a default. So for example, once you create a duplicate dummy for Catan, you have to make an extra effort not to add addition copies of Catan to the duplicate group when you add Catan items if you don't want to put them in the group.

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William or others,

I'm listing a few expansions without boxes. Should I list using the item listing for the expansions or list as "Outside the Scope of BGG"?

This rule makes me question:

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6. Do not use a item type listing for an item unless you are offering that item, this also applies to listings using hyperlinks in the description. For example, do not list the item as the game if you're only offering certain components for that game. When in doubt, use "outside the scope of BGG" as the main listing.
Thanks for the clarification!
 
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tmykkanen wrote:
William or others,

I'm listing a few expansions without boxes. Should I list using the item listing for the expansions or list as "Outside the Scope of BGG"?

This rule makes me question:

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6. Do not use a item type listing for an item unless you are offering that item, this also applies to listings using hyperlinks in the description. For example, do not list the item as the game if you're only offering certain components for that game. When in doubt, use "outside the scope of BGG" as the main listing.
Thanks for the clarification!
This is only my 4th Math Trade, so you may want to wait for someone else to chime in but if it were me ....

I would list the expansion and put in the condition comments that that the item does not have a box. If you know for a fact that the expansion fits or does not fit in the base game box easily you may want to say that as well.

I'd also like William or others to chime in on where to draw the line between game missing something listed as the game and some components to a game listed as outside the scope of BGG.

In particular I have a game that is missing a scoring peg. But cubes could be substituted for the scoring markers so it's not a fatal missing component. Perhaps I should have listed it as outside the scope of BGG and I can change it if needed.
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