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Lately I have been surprised by some videos shown during class.

One was a French class. The content had a few minor bad words. The idea of the short video could be of interest if you are in into that kind of shorts.
I studied 3 foreign languages, and we all knew the bad words, but i guess we had to do the work to learn them.

This time, a STEM class, the content is more visual.it may not be considered NSFW, but as a human being, it felt very inappropriate.
Son and daughter are very close in age and when the teacher showed those videos, son asked to be excused because it did not think staying would be gentlemanly. He said other guys were howling and making crass comments. All that son could think about was that his little sister wanted to take the same class next year and that made him uncomfortable.
It is not porn, far from that. But I admit that I never though a teacher would show such videos.

What would you do/feel...Anything?

 
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Unless you are clearer about what this content was, I don't see how anybody can actually have any opinions on this. All we know it was far from porn, and I'm 100% in support of students having "far from porn" experiences at school.
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It may not be SFW depending in work place.
Youtube. Code Babes
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Not wanting to immediately turn this into an RSP thread, but I feel it's a fine line: spending 5 minutes pretty much anywhere on the internet demonstrates what happens when you completely shelter kids from sex and don't educate them about it properly, but equally it feels uncomfortable to go too far in the other direction. There is probably some of the latter point that directly stems from the former: we were raised with sex being a taboo subject, and thus it feels uncomfortable to teach it now.

Ultimately it comes down to what specifically about the videos in question made your son uncomfortable?
 
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its a hard line to walk. Even harder in this day and age of full informational exposure.
Idealy kids are taught to handle mature situations maturely. Its a hard fought battle thats never over. So like everything kid related its a case by case basis to give you the answer.

I've heard the complaints from tech ed teachers teaching woodworking. Simply saying the word "wood" and "screw" can derail kids just as bad.
 
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What made him uncomfortable?
His sister saying she wanted to take that class and picture her watching this. She was not thrilled and is now rethinking this class.
To hear guys howling at the screen and gesturing.
Women being shown as a mere object, maybe?

We are pretty liberal about those things and have handled without embarrassment the subject, whether it was for son or daughtet.

This time was different. He was annoyed and after a while, i did not want to talk about it so I did not push. But he indicated there was an atmosphere of "i wonder why girls cannot show interest in those classes" is what we say to parents but really we like it like that just fine.
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It is hard to describe. We talk a lot as a family but he was bothered. Uncomfortable.
I guess I assumed all beings learnt and did their thing in the comfort of their bedroom or laptop but now quite shown by a web teacher.
He says that projects are turned in and wildly accepted by the teacher even though the work is clearly typed in the shame if a pen!s.
I admit that I laugh the first time. I thought all kids do dumb things. I did not think they actually turned it like that nor that the teacher would not say a thing about it.
I guess my teachers were stricter.
 
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That sounds like more of an issue with the students in the class, than the class itself, although I may be misinterpreting. If the teacher seems to be actively encouraging that kind of behaviour in the male students, that's completely unacceptable
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I did not expect this out if a web design class.

And the teacher does pick the videos that are shown.

So unexpected.
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And to be fair, I would not know if he would behave differently if he ever had girls. He boasts that he never has any female student.
 
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iomio wrote:
I guess my teachers were stricter.

What do you expect the teacher to do?
 
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Not show women in underwear to teach coding but actually teach coding?

Like I said, I don't know. My teachers never did that.
Did yours?
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iomio wrote:
And to be fair, I would not know if he would behave differently if he ever had girls. He boasts that he never has any female student.

That is a huge problem. Either the women in his school think that web design isn't for them, or else they are discouraged from taking it by something. Both are fixable.
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iomio wrote:
His sister saying she wanted to take that class and picture her watching this. She was not thrilled and is now rethinking this class.
To hear guys howling at the screen and gesturing.
He was annoyed and after a while, i did not want to talk about it so I did not push. But he indicated there was an atmosphere of "i wonder why girls cannot show interest in those classes" is what we say to parents but really we like it like that just fine.


I have to agree with previous comments that the description of the video is a bit unclear so its difficult to make a call here. That said, it sounds more like the problem might be with the behavior of the boys in the classroom rather than the video itself. I hate to go all SJW on this because I'm typically not that kind of person, but given how horribly underrepresented women are in the STEM fields, we (society) need to be doing as much as we can to encourage, or at least not discourage, young ladies from entering the sciences. If your daughter is considering not taking the class, it sounds like discouragement is exactly what has happened and this is exactly one of the reason why it occurs. I would at least be inclined to point this issue out to the teacher to see if there is some way it can be properly addressed.
 
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iomio wrote:
Not show women in underwear to teach coding but actually teach coding?

oh lol ok, yeah thats bad.
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Geez that is big. And the video is loud. And again maybe NSFW

Is there a way to include a more discreet link?

One of the links was posted on RSP
 
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I have to admit, I rolled my eyes when I read your original post. Kids get exposed to foul language all the time. The right thing to do is address it and educate them rather than pretending it doesn't exist. My son and I were watching Batman: Bad Blood yesterday and I have to admit I was surprised by the inclusion of the word "bitch." But, it's rated PG-13 so as a parent I was moderately well informed of the content going into it, and I've already talked to my son about language like that (and that word in particular), and we were able to enjoy the movie without me making a scene about it or calling more attention to the word by my reaction.

THAT BEING SAID CodeBabes is utterly inappropriate in a professional education setting. ANY professional education setting. I have no idea what age your son is (edit: remembered the title of the post right after hitting submit, heh), and I strongly believe in letting teachers have control of the content and style of their course, but I'm absolutely baffled that this would be presented by any professional educator, to the point where I'm forced to wonder if you're trolling. If true, this is something I would immediately address with the school's administration, which is not something I say lightly.
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Why would I be trolling? What gain ither than asking for advice? Son wants to keep it quiet because of his grade. Spouse agrees. I admit that I am scared. I cannot prove anything either.

 
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yeah there is no reasonable defense for a teacher to use this type of video. I was originally thinking this was going to be kids taking an example out of context a bit. Nope. No stretch needed. If the teacher thinks the video has good info then just take the info and make a different presentation.

what are you scared of? what do you have to prove?
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How do you prove to the superintendent that he does show these?
And I am scared Son's good grade will dip.
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I did email the teacher which was probably my first mistake.
He did not reply.

It is eating me up.
 
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ask for a meeting between you the teacher and the principle/administration. If it escalates to where your son's grade is effected then its escalates to the point where that teacher is fired.
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iomio wrote:
It may not be SFW depending in work place.
Youtube. Code Babes


Yeah, that is inappropriate. For High School, and for the work place.
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iomio wrote:
Why would I be trolling?


People like to stir up controversy for fun.

I wouldn't bother trying to talk to the teacher, I would go directly to the school's administration. If the administration doesn't let you report your concerns anonymously (which they absolutely should), reprisal for reporting stuff like this is strictly against any school system's (or workplace's, for that matter) code of ethics. If you're genuinely worried about that, keep all record's of your son's schoolwork so you can call the teacher out if his grade dips or the teacher's grading pattern changes to make his grade dip.

In terms of proving the complaint, having someone else in the class corroborate your son's story is the easiest route, but it sounds like that may not be a viable option. The more details your con can provide, the better. Specific title of the video, the day and time it was shown to the class. This is why I'd recommend going straight to the administration and not talking to the teacher, because the easiest way to confirm this would be through records on his classroom computer and/or YouTube account. However, those records are easily removable if he has forewarning. Beyond that, it should still be relatively simple to use the school's IT logs to show what sites that computer requested at the particular day & time.

If the school's administration doesn't do anything, go to the school board. If that still does nothing, I'm sure there's at least one local news organization that would love to run commercials for their 10:00 news: "Scantily clad women slowly undressing... it's not softcore porn, it's what teachers are showing your children. Find out more at 10."
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I am more the quiet mouse that does not like to stir crap. Look at what I post. I does not scream drama. Heck I could not bring myself to even put the link. I came here for help because I need it and I am not getting it.

I am that upset that I am reaching out. Spouse is tense because it could impact his GPA. Is this a myth? Who knows? Do you know that in his school tests are not sent home? Too many cases of cheating. They can only be seen at a time given by a teacher under adult supervision. Not an easy route. Mind you, I am guessing cheating was rampant.

Since I don't know anything about computers, I emailed the principal, and asked for a meeting and mentioned IT logs for that time period.

But I doubt the newscast will be my next step.
 
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