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Hey all,

I played a great game of Dinosaur Island last night with all the modules for Totally Liquid included and had a great time! However, I had a quick question in regards to the Technical Advisor executive role.

The card says "Scientist 2: Increase limits for all basic or advanced DNA by 1 when you increase cold storage with this executive" - Does this ability mean in addition to or in place of the normal result of placing your level 2 scientist in the cold storage spot? (either 5 total increases [2 from the scientist and 3 from the ability] or 3 total increases [just the 3 from the ability])


There was some confusion at the table whether we should raise the DNA limit by a total of 5 or 3 when the player put his executive in the cold storage spot.

Apologies if this has already been asked before, and thanks in advance for all the help!
 
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Hmm, good question. I didn't really think about it until you worded it that way. Now I'm curious as well. Both give you a boost with the executive but one way gives you a much greater boost.

Executive Scientist 2 gives 3 or 5 upgrades?
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I think the sensible answer is 3. i.e. it acts as Scientist 2 - but its specialism is on cold storage when it acts as a 3. Prepared to be contradicted by the designers!
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I'm not sure why the thought that it would be a total of 5, why you'd increase the limits a second time. To me it reads pretty straight forward: instead of increasing by 2, you increase by 3 (2+1) with this guy in this role.
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Jonathan9461 wrote:
I think the sensible answer is 3. i.e. it acts as Scientist 2 - but its specialism is on cold storage when it acts as a 3. Prepared to be contradicted by the designers!


It makes sense this way. Not a very powerful Executive, but it does give you and extra Scientist. I would guess that it can pass and be a worker or perform and other task that a scientist could.
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Yeah, that was the way we were playing (only raised by a total of 3), but does seem relatively weak when compared to the Chief Dino Officer (which says "Scientist 3: Increase your excitement level by 1 when you procure a dino recipe with this executive").

Since the Chief Dino Officer raises your cold storage by a level of 3 anyway (for being a level 3 scientist), it seems like the Technical Advisor is relatively weaker (raises your limits by 3, but with restrictions), and that's what sparked the original question.


Appreciate all the help from everyone!
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Yeah, that was the way we were playing (only raised by a total of 3), but does seem relatively weak when compared to the Chief Dino Officer (which says "Scientist 3: Increase your excitement level by 1 when you procure a dino recipe with this executive").

Since the Chief Dino Officer raises your cold storage by a level of 3 anyway (for being a level 3 scientist), it seems like the Technical Advisor is relatively weaker (raises your limits by 3, but with restrictions), and that's what sparked the original question.


Appreciate all the help from everyone!


As you say, compared even to other executives it does is seem weak. I'm thinking of going back to your original idea that it as a regular Scientist 2 with the extra ability... Scientist 2, gains 2 of whatever cold storage s/he wants. Then another 1 each of a given type for a total of a 5 increase in cold storage? At least until the designers say otherwise .

But I hope they don't make it just a Scientist 2 with a restrictive ability.
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Thud105 wrote:
I'm not sure why the thought that it would be a total of 5, why you'd increase the limits a second time. To me it reads pretty straight forward: instead of increasing by 2, you increase by 3 (2+1) with this guy in this role.

That's funny. I think it's pretty straight forward that it's 5. It does not say it's a replacement effect. It just says to do something when you are doing something else. You are adding the word "instead" that does not seem to be implied either by the ability itself or punctuation involved.

If that is the correct interpretation of the ability it's just one lore example of half tested cards. That ability is super weak.
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Thud105 wrote:
I'm not sure why the thought that it would be a total of 5, why you'd increase the limits a second time. To me it reads pretty straight forward: instead of increasing by 2, you increase by 3 (2+1) with this guy in this role.

That's funny. I think it's pretty straight forward that it's 5. It does not say it's a replacement effect. It just says to do something when you are doing something else. You are adding the word "instead" that does not seem to be implied either by the ability itself or punctuation involved.

If that is the correct interpretation of the ability it's just one lore example of half tested cards. That ability is super weak.

Ok then, I'll take the word(s) you don't like out and the intents still comes across the same to me: Increase Cold Storage by 3 (2+1) with this guy in this role. There's nothing explicit or implicit to say you do his action and then do the action again and with a bonus. To me, if it was supposed to be repeated it would include some wording such as "Increase Cold Storage again..." or something similar.

**edit to add I'm not trying to be snarky, just explain why I interpret it the way I do.
 
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Thud105 wrote:
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I'm not sure why the thought that it would be a total of 5, why you'd increase the limits a second time. To me it reads pretty straight forward: instead of increasing by 2, you increase by 3 (2+1) with this guy in this role.

That's funny. I think it's pretty straight forward that it's 5. It does not say it's a replacement effect. It just says to do something when you are doing something else. You are adding the word "instead" that does not seem to be implied either by the ability itself or punctuation involved.

If that is the correct interpretation of the ability it's just one lore example of half tested cards. That ability is super weak.

Ok then, I'll take the word(s) you don't like out and the intents still comes across the same to me: Increase Cold Storage by 3 (2+1) with this guy in this role. There's nothing explicit or implicit to say you do his action and then do the action again and with a bonus. To me, if it was supposed to be repeated it would include some wording such as "Increase Cold Storage again..." or something similar.

**edit to add I'm not trying to be snarky, just explain why I interpret it the way I do.

Just to be clear I wasn't being snarky either. I was honestly amused we saw it so differently. haha.

I can see your point. I just read it as an additional benefit.

Have to see what they say.
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Any word on this? We played him as a number 2 scientist but acts like a 3 with cold storage. But thinking about the wording makes it seem like it's in addition to.
We also came across the question since you have 4 scientists do you get an extra round in phase 1?
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For this executive to be balanced against the other executives, it has to raise Cold Storage by a total of 5: 2 of your choice + 1 each on either basic or advanced.

Otherwise, you're just getting a 50% increase in the Cold Storage action, with no other bonuses. The Jack of Both Trades executive gets two actions per round (1 Scientist + 1 Lab), which is strictly better than that.
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zachbaudoin09 wrote:
Any word on this? We played him as a number 2 scientist but acts like a 3 with cold storage. But thinking about the wording makes it seem like it's in addition to.
We also came across the question since you have 4 scientists do you get an extra round in phase 1?


I am now coming around to the view that he adds 5 to cold storage. 2 of your choice for his normal action, then add 1 to all basic or advanced DNA limits (you choose which).

My change of view isn’t down to any question of balance (not trying to second guess that) but just the wording of the card. The word “additionally” or “as well” would have helped if that is the intent!
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Otherwise, you're just getting a 50% increase in the Cold Storage action, with no other bonuses.

Actually, a 50% increase is a pretty good bonus, but it's not the only bonus because it means when used in this capacity, he's a 4th Scientist for you!
 
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Thud105 wrote:
mvettemagred wrote:
Otherwise, you're just getting a 50% increase in the Cold Storage action, with no other bonuses.

Actually, a 50% increase is a pretty good bonus, but it's not the only bonus because it means when used in this capacity, he's a 4th Scientist for you!


Reading the above posts is seems that compared to the other executives even this bonus doesn't see that good.

However even with that 50% increase it is more restrictive that that regular Scientist 2. That being so, you might need to use your Scientist 2 just to raise a certain DNA cold storage limits and then the Executive is no more that an extra Scientist 2.
 
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You may be misunderstanding- this Exec acts as scientist 2 eg to claim dna or Dino not just to add cold storage.
 
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The "Technical Advisor" either acts as a Level 2 Scientist (when placed to collect DNA dice or dinosaur recipes), OR allows you to increase all basic/advanced cold storage by 1 when placed to increase cold storage.

To answer your specific question, if it's placed to increase your cold storage, it doesn't count as a Level 2 Scientist, it doesn't count as a Level 3 scientist. It allows you to leverage it's ability only, which is increase all basic or advanced cold storage by 1.
 
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The "Technical Advisor" either acts as a Level 2 Scientist (when placed to collect DNA dice or dinosaur recipes), OR allows you to increase all basic/advanced cold storage by 1 when placed to increase cold storage.

To answer your specific question, if it's placed to increase your cold storage, it doesn't count as a Level 2 Scientist, it doesn't count as a Level 3 scientist. It allows you to leverage it's ability only, which is increase all basic or advanced cold storage by 1.


That is what is being discussed. A few may agree with you, a few more who agree with you also say if this is true it is a seriously weak ability compared with at least others. And there are some, I now fall into this category (though not there at first), think it is a Scientist 2 with an extra/additional ability to the regular Scientist 2 ability. Of course there are many in between but these are the three most voiced opinions.

I don't think we've heard from the designers, but if the ability is as you say that will not make that card a good draw.
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It's possible, and likely intended, that not all Executive abilities (and facilities) are equally strong. I'm considering this likely because of the draft element of Execs and Facilities. Maybe some are suppose to be better than others, and possibly situationally stronger? The more I think about this the more I like it, I think...
 
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Hey this came up in our game group and super want to know the answer
 
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