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This is an off-topic rant. I am so sick of pink, purple, and teal being the colour choices thrust upon women.

Firstly, yes I do actually like them as colours (I kind of like all colours), they are great colours, they are just not the only colours, there is a whole rainbow of colours that manufacturers can choose from.... Why oh why oh why must they always decide that the first colour choice for a woman is going to be purple/pink/teal, then if they get a second colour choice it can be black or white with purple/pink/teal accents, then maybe we might get daring and give them a non-purple/pink/teal choice, but with purple/pink/teal accents...

It is so rare to find a single article of sports wear that doesn't have those colours on it.

This rant just stemmed from a club event in which the women were given purple race plates, and the boys got blue ones. Fair enough they want to make it easy to see categories from a distance, but I am not sure why they need to always always always thrust pink/purple/teal upon us.

I went looking for a white saddle the other day, to match my orange bike, I found one, but it had pink accents all over it, why couldn't it just be white? MY husband wanted a black helmet, but they shop had sold out of the men's version, they only had the women's. The manufacturer states that they are the exact same helmet... the only difference is that they add pink/purple/teal accents to the women's helmet and then write 'women' on it. WHY?????

Sorry this rant is not cohesive, it is just a rant. I am so angry about it.
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Well, purple & teal don’t make me nutz, but pink sure as heck does. At one point I took up rifle target practice, and wanted a shooting vest. All I could find was brown with pink panels. I consider that one of the most atrocious color combos in the world (the only worse one would be brown with chartreuse). But I needed it, so I got it, but I absolutely loath it.

So, rant heard and accepted!

ETA: At what point was it decided that men don’t like purple? I wear flannel shirts in men’s sizes, and rarely can find a nice purple plaid. Every guy I’ve ever talked to about it would love a purple flannel shirt, so WTF fashion industry?
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MrPerfect1 wrote:
Various studies have shown


[Citation needed]

Edit - added quote to clarify exactly what I'm referring to here.
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MrPerfect1 wrote:
Various studies have shown


[Citation needed]

Edit - added quote to clarify exactly what I'm referring to here.


A 5 second search on google will show u a variety of studies you can look through. A general hypothesis seems to be that women long ago were predominantly gatherers and a redish hue was often a sign of ripe fruit, thereby helping to create a positive association with that color.
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Yeah, I’ve seen studies that support that. In infants.

But I still can’t stand it. And there’s no excuse for a cataloque store not to have better options...oh wait, there was a non-pink option in the shooting vest. It was sold out! Personally, I think pink camo is absurd. Just saying.

Now, do you or don’t you like purple, Jason?

PS Red is also the color of poisonous fruit. Which is an interesting rabbit hole to go down, isn’t it? whistle
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Yea I find that annoying, though mine is on the reverse as I like pastels and cute things, however being a tall male can make it incredibly hard. This response is not an oh yeah what about men sort of thing I hope society becomes more open to the fluidity of genders and help get rid of gender norms.
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DonkeyJay wrote:
PS Red is also the color of poisonous fruit. Which is an interesting rabbit hole to go down, isn’t it? whistle


Red is also the colour of the blood of your enemies...
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MrPerfect1 wrote:
A 5 second search on google will show u a variety of studies you can look through.


A 5 second search on google will show u a lot of things. Which specific ones of these studies do you have the most confidence in?

MrPerfect1 wrote:
A general hypothesis seems to be


Espoused by whom? Tested in which studies? Discredited how many decades ago?

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If you want to chat about the speculative theories of evolutionary psychology, you'd better be ready to bring sources and discuss their merit and the evidence against each of these theories.
Until then, please take your vague handwaving elsewhere.
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I HATE pink. If it has pink on it, I will flat out not buy it. I do, however, like both purple and teal - as well as red, green, yellow, and a host of other colors.
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Yea I find that annoying, though mine is on the reverse as I like pastels and cute things, however being a tall male can make it incredibly hard. This response is not an oh yeah what about men sort of thing I hope society becomes more open to the fluidity of genders and help get rid of gender norms.


I got a pink iPhone because it was the only one left; I cared for a minute, then got over it. I got tons of comments on it, from men, women, and kids of both genders. Never anything blatant, but either (paraphrasing) “Why pink?” or “Haha, pink.”

This stuff is stamped pretty deep into our culture. I mean, who cares what colour a phone is?
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According to QI (series G, episode 7), in 19th century England pink was considered the tradional color for boys and blue for girls. I suspect the shift came about because of marketing surveys and such - and we all know how accurate those things are.
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According to QI (series G, episode 7), in 19th century England pink was considered the tradional color for boys and blue for girls. I suspect the shift came about because of marketing surveys and such - and we all know how accurate those things are.


I don't like blue any more than I like pink. I suspect it comes from having the colors thrust down my throat when I was a kid.
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Various studies have shown that women have a preference for pink, purple, and various reddish based colors. Accordingly, in Business the 80/20 rule is a very accepted principle. Generally 80% of sales come from the top 20% of your products/customers/etc. This is a reason why companies often only offer a few color choices for things, particularly if shelf space or inventory control is an issue. If other colors only amount to a small % of your customer base then it is often better to just get rid of them.


I am sure you didn't intend rudeness when you came into a women's forum and explained to them why they prefer pink... it is exactly what women mean when they complain about mansplaining.

To back up many other responses, 'various studies' is not a thing (and neither is 'google it'). Not to mention the response completely lacks any consideration for socialisation. I.e. For several generations now children have been conditioned to associate pink with femininity, this influences how adults perceived the colour, and further how adults perceive the colour choices of their own children.
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Now back to more lighthearted ranting....

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MrPerfect1 wrote:


A 5 second search on google will show u a variety of studies you can look through. A general hypothesis seems to be that women long ago were predominantly gatherers and a redish hue was often a sign of ripe fruit, thereby helping to create a positive association with that color.


So, THAT’s it. I always wondered why I love green.
Thanks for clearing that up! Whew!
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MrPerfect1 wrote:
beth02906 wrote:
MrPerfect1 wrote:
Various studies have shown


[Citation needed]

Edit - added quote to clarify exactly what I'm referring to here.


A 5 second search on google will show u a variety of studies you can look through. A general hypothesis seems to be that women long ago were predominantly gatherers and a redish hue was often a sign of ripe fruit, thereby helping to create a positive association with that color.


Well, whad’ya know? A 5 min search of Google Scholar (I’m assuming that’s what you meant since one doesn’t normally search for well-designed studies on Google’s main search engine) found this:
“Furthermore, despite abundant evidence for sex differences in other visual domains, and specifically in other tasks of color perception, there is no conclusive evidence for the existence of sex differences in color preference. This fact is perhaps surprising, given the prevalence and longevity of the notion that little girls differ from boys in preferring ‘pink’.” (Hurlbert & Ling, 2007)

Also, it’s generally the role of the one making absurd claims to support them. I don’t go into a paper presentation and tell my audience to just read the entire literature on my topic as proof.

Edited to add full citation: Hurlbert, A. C., & Ling, Y. (2007). Biological components of sex differences in color preference. Current Biology, 16(17), R623-R625.
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Rabidkiwi143 wrote:
Yea I find that annoying, though mine is on the reverse as I like pastels and cute things, however being a tall male can make it incredibly hard. This response is not an oh yeah what about men sort of thing I hope society becomes more open to the fluidity of genders and help get rid of gender norms.


This is something I wish for as well. I was accused once of "wanting everyone to be the same" (after a bloke saw my 1yo son in a pink outfit that had belonged to his older sister), but he was wrong, I want everyone to be free to be different.

I personally love the idea of gender being neutral until puberty, and I really desire for gender differences to be based on biology not society.
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What I find interesting is that one century ago, trousers were not on the market for women. Now there's no major brand not featuring them.

Just sayin' that the availability of the market doesn't always represent the actual demand. We're living an era of great awakening and changes, and it'd be nice trying something different and see how the market responds.
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This is an off-topic rant. I am so sick of pink, purple, and teal being the colour choices thrust upon women.

Firstly, yes I do actually like them as colours (I kind of like all colours), they are great colours, they are just not the only colours, there is a whole rainbow of colours that manufacturers can choose from.... Why oh why oh why must they always decide that the first colour choice for a woman is going to be purple/pink/teal, then if they get a second colour choice it can be black or white with purple/pink/teal accents, then maybe we might get daring and give them a non-purple/pink/teal choice, but with purple/pink/teal accents...

It is so rare to find a single article of sports wear that doesn't have those colours on it.

This rant just stemmed from a club event in which the women were given purple race plates, and the boys got blue ones. Fair enough they want to make it easy to see categories from a distance, but I am not sure why they need to always always always thrust pink/purple/teal upon us.

I went looking for a white saddle the other day, to match my orange bike, I found one, but it had pink accents all over it, why couldn't it just be white? MY husband wanted a black helmet, but they shop had sold out of the men's version, they only had the women's. The manufacturer states that they are the exact same helmet... the only difference is that they add pink/purple/teal accents to the women's helmet and then write 'women' on it. WHY?????

Sorry this rant is not cohesive, it is just a rant. I am so angry about it.


Various studies have shown that women have a preference for pink, purple, and various reddish based colors. Accordingly, in Business the 80/20 rule is a very accepted principle. Generally 80% of sales come from the top 20% of your products/customers/etc. This is a reason why companies often only offer a few color choices for things, particularly if shelf space or inventory control is an issue. If other colors only amount to a small % of your customer base then it is often better to just get rid of them.


LOL, this is utterly absurd!
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I rather like all those colours. As colours.

The genderization of colours is a problem though. In games, I believe that it comes from the idea that things should be somehow "marked" as "female". The easiest way to do so is by using markers that are associated with "female" in most peoples heads.
On a very basic level, this might even stem from the desire to be "inclusive" towards female gamers.
Very much agree that this is mis-guided.

Also, I would like to be able to wear pink sweaters (which look good on me) without being told how daring it is to wear a "girl colour".
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What I find interesting is that one century ago, trousers were not on the market for women. Now there's no major brand not featuring them.

Just sayin' that the availability of the market doesn't always represent the actual demand. We're living an era of great awakening and changes, and it'd be nice trying something different and see how the market responds.


Exactly. Every so often I get serious (rather than ranty) and send emails to major manufacturers asking them to offer women better colour choices. They often say market research, but nobody asks for a pink logo saying "women" on the back of a helmet.

Further I often cave and buy teal clothing because it is fun to match, so my shoes have grey/teal, and my white helmet came with teal straps, so a teal jersey and teal socks really look good. It is also so much easier to get matching kit if you accept the p/p/t. If I want orange kit, then I have to work much harder to find items that match, and my choices become severely limited (by price and design), whereas the sale bins are always brimming with p/p/t gear that I can pick up for cheap.

So on the surface it seems that I chose teal, but really it was just that I like teal more than pink or purple. I prefer orange, blue, light green, and red (in that order).

Across the board in the MTB industry, women are given two colourways, one is a shade of black (often with the p/p/t accents) and the other is a p/p/t colourway.

(So sorry, I am still ranting. It is late in Australia and I am going to take myself off to bed. A game of Ticket-to-Ride on my phone will sort me out, I have a 10x10 challenge to complete).
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...... my orange bike


Eurghhhhh!
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Also, I would like to be able to wear pink sweaters (which look good on me) without being told how daring it is to wear a "girl colour".

But surely Real Men wouldn't care about such girly things as fashion!
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