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Subject: If you do this, you're a prig. rss

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Chessie Zecat
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I just entered a game on the Crucible and the guy immediately popped onto Keyforge Compendium to look up my deck and critique it. He sat there and looked over all the cards in my deck, then gave me the ratings and his personal evaluation of my likelihood of victory.

Understandably, I think, I disconnected.

If you do it online, you deserve to be hit with a chair.

If you do this in person, someone will hit you with a chair.

Do not be this guy.

Chairs cost money and dispensing justice with them makes it expensive to run a game store.

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That is, in fact, insane. There is a 150% chance that guy has no friends...
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droppinloads wrote:
That is, in fact, insane. There is a 150% chance that guy has no friends...


But maybe we should look him up and critique his ability to gain friends?
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Maybe he was streaming and doing a play by play analysis on how to alienate friends and make enemies.
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Wow.. that's shocking.

I played against 4 people the other day, and they all quit after a few minutes of suspicious absence. I suspect they were looking up my decks (I own a horemen deck) and a mental creature deck with 23 creatures in it.

It's just pathetic really
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simondtaylor wrote:
I own a horemen deck
Sorry, I just had to laugh about you typo. The four horeman

Regarding the OP, I'm not as shocked as the others, but maybe I do not understand it right. What was shocking from your point-of-view?
That he looked up your deck?
That he analysed it verbosely?
Or that he made bad comments about it?

I actually often received questions about game states or deck content from opponents and had many discussions over the chat. And sometimes people just start talking about a specific card or combo in my deck and I don't mind a strategy discussion.
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If they were doing it to belittle you, then yeah, that's pretty sad given that you didn't choose the deck, the deck chose you.

But... Maybe he was just trying to start a discussion about the deck? Isn't that afterall the most interesting part of Keyforge?

It's not like you can take it personally when it's not a deck you constructed and can be proud of when you got it randomly.

If they rated your deck as poor, just use that as a way to negotiate a chain handicap pre-game. Use their analysis to your advantage in the game or perhaps play it in ways you hadn't considered.
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Did you tell him why you were disconnecting? If he doesn't realize it's annoying, he'll keep doing it to other people.
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Wolle_Petterson wrote:
simondtaylor wrote:
I own a horemen deck
Sorry, I just had to laugh about you typo. The four horeman

Regarding the OP, I'm not as shocked as the others, but maybe I do not understand it right. What was shocking from your point-of-view?
That he looked up your deck?
That he analysed it verbosely?
Or that he made bad comments about it?

I actually often received questions about game states or deck content from opponents and had many discussions over the chat. And sometimes people just start talking about a specific card or combo in my deck and I don't mind a strategy discussion.


Ahahaaaaa whoops!!
 
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If they were doing it to belittle you, then yeah, that's pretty sad given that you didn't choose the deck, the deck chose you.

But... Maybe he was just trying to start a discussion about the deck? Isn't that afterall the most interesting part of Keyforge?

Yep that is great after the game - where you can discuss how it played.
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After the game, absolutely, I would agree.

Before the first house is chosen or the mulligans accomplished, it's dick behavior.
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I don't understand why someone, in a game like Keyforge, would feel it was either necessary or acceptable to go and look up all your cards before the game. Maybe I misunderstand the stakes involved in the illustrious world of online Keyforge, but wow...
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dtmulhol wrote:
I don't understand why someone, in a game like Keyforge, would feel it was either necessary or acceptable to go and look up all your cards before the game. Maybe I misunderstand the stakes involved in the illustrious world of online Keyforge, but wow...


If deck lists are public, then it's absolutely acceptable to look up an opponent's list. Knowing their options can seriously inform your strategy. You shouldn't delay the game to do so, however.

Offering unsolicited commentary - decidedly less acceptable.
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Knowing the broader range of card abilities beyond your own deck and being able to quickly adapt your own deck strategies from the off to counter potential strategies your opponent may use is entirely the point of higher level play.

Although I would agree that spending minutes leaving your opponent waiting is poor etiquette.

edit: ninja by Eric!
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Eric the GM wrote:
dtmulhol wrote:
I don't understand why someone, in a game like Keyforge, would feel it was either necessary or acceptable to go and look up all your cards before the game. Maybe I misunderstand the stakes involved in the illustrious world of online Keyforge, but wow...


If deck lists are public, then it's absolutely acceptable to look up an opponent's list. Knowing their options can seriously inform your strategy. You shouldn't delay the game to do so, however.

Offering unsolicited commentary - decidedly less acceptable.


It's a pretty fast game otherwise so looking up someone's deck after the game starts WILL delay gameplay. In something like the crucible, I can absolutely see this becoming a real additive AP issue. Online play will need a reasonable turn timer.
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I might slow play my first couple turns - not ending until forced to in order to pull up the list on my phone.

I imagine if this takes off you'll see programs that display both your and your opponent's deck lists along the sides of the screen - similar to what you often see with Hearthstone streamers.

NOTE: For all my commentary lately, I haven't actually played yet - not paying above retail on Amazon and can't get to the free-ship threshold anywhere until I know what other games I'm getting this Christmas.
Just diving into the forums to stay hyped.
 
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The whole ABCE/ADHD ratings business has (to a degree) ruined some of the enjoyment of this game for me. I don't get why people feel the need to reduce decks to ratings and numbers. Some of my best decks have piss-poor ratings.
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Where there are options, there will be a meta.
Where there is a meta, there will be ratings and tier lists.

It's unavoidable.
 
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badalchemist wrote:
The whole ABCE/ADHD ratings business has (to a degree) ruined some of the enjoyment of this game for me. I don't get why people feel the need to reduce decks to ratings and numbers. Some of my best decks have piss-poor ratings.

Some people simply enjoy analysis. It’s a way to extend interest in a game during times when you can’t play, and can be enjoyable in its own right. Best to indulge other people having fun their way (if they’re not being jerks at the same time, of course).
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Chessiecat wrote:
I just entered a game on the Crucible and the guy immediately popped onto Keyforge Compendium to look up my deck and critique it. He sat there and looked over all the cards in my deck, then gave me the ratings and his personal evaluation of my likelihood of victory.

When I was reading your post, I was reading his comments in the voice of this guy:


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Fregonar wrote:

When I was reading your post, I was reading his comments in the voice of this guy:




"Worst. Deck. Ever." obviously.
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Which type of game was it? I played a handful of times (7-10), beginner or casual, and it was always good fun. Casual for me means no online lookup of my opponent's cards.
 
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Hearing stories like this make me want to play the game that much more (read with sarcasm)
 
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droppinloads wrote:
That is, in fact, insane. There is a 150% chance that guy has no friends...


Or no chairs.
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Wolle_Petterson wrote:
simondtaylor wrote:
I own a horemen deck
Sorry, I just had to laugh about you typo. The four horeman


And now I want a Horeman deck.

Could be brutal.



 
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