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Mark Johnson
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At long last I'm going to start diving into WW2 East Front as a topic to explore. There are, of course, many games on this topic. Most tend to be pretty large, though. Even more than other wargames, the topic here is so vast & epic in scope that the games tend to be larger. My own preference is for small wargames (e.g. fewer than 100 counters, not much stacking). That format sometimes is found in magazine games, but there are standalone games, too. (And some magazine wargames can be quite large.)

Surprisingly, I haven't been successful with my normal approach of researching geeklists to build my own list of interesting titles. I have a few in mind already, though, and would appreciate more suggestions.

Leningrad
No Retreat
Der Kessel
Pavlov's House
Battle for Moscow
The Barbarossa Campaign

You can tell from that list that I'm primarily interested in operational or grand tactical scales, nothing like an ASL scenario.

I suppose Turning Point:Stalingrad and Storm over Stalingrad could be on this list. They seem larger (longer to play), but perhaps not? I played Storm over Normandy last summer and enjoyed that well enough.
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I tend to like Vae Victis games, and now see that they've got one if I don't mind a tactical treatment, Stalingrad Hall No. 4. They probably have earlier games, too, though these days I'm not really going for the issues before 100 before they had diecut counters.
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These area impulse are very good.

Circle of Fire: The Siege of Cholm, 1942
Stalingrad: Verdun on the Volga
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Holdfast: EastFront 1941-45 is worth looking at. Max units per hex is 1. Turns go pretty quickly.
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Roads to Leningrad
Roads to Moscow

Those are a bit on the complex end of the spectrum but relatively low unit count, normal size maps, though not miniature.

No Retreat - Russian Front (strategic but low unit count)

Storm Over Stalingrad is easy and plays pretty fast.

Four Battles of Army Group South (uses the Panzergruppe Guderian system which is a bit dated, but not too hard, unit counts in the magazine game range).
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The Arduous Beginning
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Defiant Russia
Assault on Sevastopol
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Sounds like you want Into the Pocket!: Operation Winter Storm. Another option would be Savage Streets.
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I’ll second Circle of Fire. Been a while since I played but I recall the rules being succinct and the game fun to play. Tentatively suggest TPS’s Stalingrad though I’ve not played it. Other games in the series have been enjoyable for their small footprint and smoothe gameplay, if memory serves. Stalingrad has around 200 counters, which may be a deal breaker, but it looks like ~50 are info counters.
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Check out High Flying Dice: HFD.

they have a series of small relatively inexpensive games on the Eastern Front and many other era's. Good games, small footprint, pretty low prices. You will have to cut the counters out but HFD does offer both mounted and unmounted versions.

 
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3rd vote for Circle of Fire.

As far as "smaller" games:

Hell's Gate
Battle for Moscow (second edition) (but only play it if you can play with the expansion)
Target: Leningrad or Objective: Kiev (they feel like the same game).

Campaign Commander Volume I: Roads to Stalingrad. Rules suck, but I wrote a better set in the files section.
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Der Kessel and Barbarossa Campaign are both excellent.

You might also check out The Battle of Stalingrad. I haven't tried it myself, but it looks like a decent little game with not overly complex rules.

Looking forward to the next series, keep up the good work!
 
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Good game on Army Group South's drive on Stalingrad and the Caucasus. Big map, but most of it is charts (the actual game map is small). Uses chit pull activation and can easily be completed in one sitting.
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Mark, let me know how deep you want to delve into the Stalingrad sub-topic. There are some "must haves" in terms of books for Stalingrad. And I don't mean the obvious ones (like Beevor's Stalingrad or the massive Gantz trilogy). Rather, I mean stuff like the absolutely amazing (though unattractive) trilogy of atlases by Joly, etc.
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This one is pretty small (VPG edition)... meeple

No Retreat!

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I enjoy Fortress Stalingrad from Strategy & Tactics magazine #124. It has just about right amount of counters and a lot of area to move around. It has great feel of power in numbers for russians, strong but fewer germans and paper thin minor axis forces. If you don't strangle germans in stalingrad, they will punch you in the face. I played both sides, and can't decide who has a tougher job...
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Konigsberg: The Soviet Attack on East Prussia, 1945

and

Across The Narva: The Soviet Assault on Estonia, February 1944

would fit your bill perfectly.
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C3i Magazine #28: Unconditional Surrender Case Blue.

A fine introduction to the bigger boardgame too.

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licinius wrote:
This one is pretty small (VPG edition)... meeple

No Retreat!



This is the one you should get, it will give you all the feel of eastern front with super low counter density. Stop looking at get this one.
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rubendario5 wrote:
licinius wrote:
This one is pretty small (VPG edition)... meeple

No Retreat!



This is the one you should get, it will give you all the feel of eastern front with super low counter density. Stop looking at get this one.


Y’all DID see that I already own this, right? Both versions!
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JasonC wrote:

Roads to Leningrad
Roads to Moscow

I was going to suggest these as well.

And, 48th Panzer Korps is a good game.
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MarkEJohnson wrote:
rubendario5 wrote:
licinius wrote:
This one is pretty small (VPG edition)... meeple

No Retreat!



This is the one you should get, it will give you all the feel of eastern front with super low counter density. Stop looking at get this one.


Y’all DID see that I already own this, right? Both versions!


C’mon, Mark. No one actually reads the entire OP before responding!

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Let me mention the game that inspired Carl Paradis' No Retreat series : Sturm Nach Osten

It's actually 2 games, a stripped-down version that's still surprisingly good and the full game that's a real gem, but a bit too long for your taste.

Keep up the good work with your podcasts - been listening to them since 2005 or so.

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David re books, check out Death of the Leaping Horseman sometime. It is a unit history of 24th Panzer Division and its destruction in Stalingrad, and one of the best unit histories you'll ever read.
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My Hitler Turns East is a small game on Barbarossa with a chit pull/orders system.
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