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There have been some questions regarding how flanking works (especially if you can flank diagonally). While this has been addressed by Succubus, here are some diagrams that I hope will help.
██ Adventurer / Ally
██ Combatant
Example 1, normal flanking
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Example 2, diagonal flanking
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Example 3, flanking a large based combatant.
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Example 4, diagonal flanking of a large based combatant.
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As far as I'm aware, these are the only valid flanking positions for small based adventurers / allies. I hope that Succubus can confirm or reject these diagrams as being correct.
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Flanking for large based creatures
Since combatants can flank adventurers, then we need to deal with large based creatures flanking small based creatures.
The following are currently based on my assumptions, I hope that Succubus can confirm or reject these diagrams as being correct.
Example 5, normal flanking
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This does Flank since there is a straight orthogonal line of 5 squares connecting the two Combatants.
Example 6, offset (orthogonal) flanking
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████ ████
This does Flank since there is a straight orthogonal line of 5 squares connecting the two Combatants.
Example 7, diagonal flanking
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This does Flank since there is a straight diagonal line of 5 squares connecting the two Combatants.
Example 8, adjacent diagonal flanking (Not Flanking)
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████ or ████
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This doesn't Flank since there isn't a straight diagonal line of 5 squares (there are only 3 squares).
Example 9, offset diagonal flanking (Not Flanking)
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██████ or ████ or ██
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This doesn't Flank since there isn't a straight diagonal line of 5 squares (there are only 4 squares).
Please note that I haven't supplied all the possible examples, you can rotate Examples 5, 6, 8, and 9 by 90 degrees and have alternate flanking positions.

 Last edited Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:59 pm (Total Number of Edits: 5)
 Posted Wed Apr 10, 2019 1:01 pm
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Flanking for large based creatures against large based creatures
Example 10, clearly Flanking!
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Example 11
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This does Flank since there is a straight orthogonal line of 6 squares.
Example 12
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This does Flank since there is a straight orthogonal line of 6 squares.
Example 13
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This does Flank since there is a straight diagonal line of 6 squares.
Example 14 (Not Flanking)
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This doesn't Flank since there isn't a straight diagonal line of 6 squares (there are only 3 squares).
Example 15 (Not Flanking)
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████████ ie ████████
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This doesn't Flank since there isn't a straight diagonal line of 6 squares (there are only 4 squares).
Example 16 (Not Flanking)
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This doesn't Flank since there isn't a straight line of squares connecting the two Combatants.
Example 17 (Not Flanking)
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████ ie ████
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This doesn't Flank since there isn't a straight diagonal line of 6 squares (there are only 5 squares).
Example 18 (Not Flanking)
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This is the equivalent to the "not flanking" example on page 50.
This doesn't Flank since there isn't a straight diagonal line of 6 squares (there are only 4 squares).
Example 19 (Not Flanking)
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This doesn't Flank since there isn't a straight line of squares connecting the two Combatants.
I think that's all the basic combinations (that doesn't include reflections or rotations of the existing combinations).

 Last edited Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:59 pm (Total Number of Edits: 13)
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Flanking for a large based creature plus a small based creature against small based creatures.
Example 20
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or
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This does Flank since there is a straight orthogonal line of 4 squares connecting the two Combatants.
Example 21
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This does Flank since there is a straight diagonal line of 4 squares connecting the two Combatants.
Example 22 (Not Flanking)
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██████ ie ██████
████ ████
This doesn't Flank since there isn't a straight diagonal line of 4 squares (there are only 3 squares).

 Last edited Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:00 pm (Total Number of Edits: 4)
 Posted Wed Apr 10, 2019 6:29 pm
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Flanking for large based creature plus a small based creature against large based creatures.
Thanks to Casey Nordell for the heads up on these last two combinations
Example 23
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or
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This does Flank since there is a straight orthogonal line of 5 squares connecting the two Combatants.
Example 24
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██████████ ie ██████████
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This does Flank since there is a straight orthogonal line of 5 squares connecting the two Combatants.
Example 25
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████ ie ████
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This does Flank since there is a straight diagonal line of 5 squares connecting the two Combatants.
Currently I've only listed the examples that would result in Flanking. I'll list further examples of positions that don't flank later.

 Last edited Wed Apr 10, 2019 11:20 pm (Total Number of Edits: 3)
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As I progress through the different possible combinations, the more I think should be rejected as Flanking possibilities.
For example, I'm now think the following should not be considered to be Flanking.
Example 8 and 9.
Example 14 to 19.
It may be best to try and keep it simple when it comes to large bases and cut down on the allowable combinations. Early days yet but I think there is a way to better define what flanking means (in relation to these diagrams).

 Last edited Wed Apr 10, 2019 10:22 pm (Total Number of Edits: 3)
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This is a good thread.
You also need to describe flanking with Reach, just to add to your headache

 Last edited Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:09 am (Total Number of Edits: 1)
 Posted Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:06 am
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iainreid wrote:This is a good thread.Yeah But first I want to see what the answers are to this thread and combine them to the question I asked concerning REACH in this thread
You also need to describe flanking with Reach, just to add to your headache
Flanking with REACH? Or when PARALYZED? Or with Darkness?
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Jeeze. Really upping the ante here.
Example 17: Flanking. These are all correct.
Example 89: Not Flanking. While it's rare we have two big figures on the table at once like this... It probably won't be as we continue to make content, so i'm glad you're thinking about it.
Example 1013: Flanking. These are all correct.
Example 1419: Not Flanking. Clever...
Example 2021: Flanking.
Example 22: Not Flanking.
Example 2315: Flanking. These are all correct.
In short, your assumptions are all our own rulings.
I'm stealing these diagrams btw. Maybe we can make our own officially. I'm going to que it up regardless. Good job.
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 11 flanking is weird.

 Last edited Thu Apr 11, 2019 8:15 am (Total Number of Edits: 1)
 Posted Thu Apr 11, 2019 8:14 am
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shoot.. how did I missed that enemies can flank? I came from work and jump ito the rulebook, and DUH!!
some abilities give adventures and combatantsbonuses only when they are flanking; I read that as just "allies" = players; but combatants also include intelligent combatants and they are allies to themselves.. DOI!
I don't think it would have come to the MAST but man, better do another read before diving deeper next week.xris wrote:....
and GREAT job with this examples. dunno if possible, but could you PDF this for us to print? would be a REALLY good reference to quickly decide on the middle of the heat of gameplay. specially now that is approve by succubus
also is it save to assume that counting 6 directly opposite to flank for large creature is a good way following a rule for this? @brooklyn?

 Last edited Thu Apr 11, 2019 1:55 pm (Total Number of Edits: 1)
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chang_1910 wrote:and GREAT job with this examples. dunno if possible, but could you PDF this for us to print? would be a REALLY good reference to quickly decide on the middle of the heat of gameplay. specially now that is approve by succubusThanks. While it is possible to create a PDF, it would take a lot of work to do so. The above post uses BGG forum embedded code so it's not as if I can use any of it to make the PDF.
It would be useful to have as a reference sheet so I'll look at creating one but I'm going to be busy till after the weekend so if I do get round to making it, it won't be for a while.
What would be really nice would be to get some graphics used by Succubus when they crated the example from page 50 in the rulebook, I could then use that to create the reference sheet in the same style. So if anyone from Succubus (hint, hint) wants to supply me with the appropriate artwork / graphics, then all the betterchang_1910 wrote:also is it save to assume that counting 6 directly opposite to flank for large creature is a good way following a rule for this? @brooklyn?This is certainly the general rules I used when working out the flanking in the examples.
Count the number of squares the width of the bases occupy. You then need to find a straight orthogonal or diagonal line of that number of squares in a row.
So if you are checking for Flanking with three large base creatures, then you are looking for 6 squares (since each of the three bases are two squares wide).
If the creatures consist of two large and a small base, then you are looking for five straight orthogonal or diagonal squares in a row.
If the creatures consist of two small and a large base, then you are looking for four straight orthogonal or diagonal squares in a row.
If the creatures consist of three small base creatures, then you are looking for three straight orthogonal or diagonal squares in a row.
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 cool, thanks
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I put together a quick sheet with the examples by @xris, if you find it useful and see no errors I would upload it in the files section:
https://filebin.ca/4fVT0xeHlSHO/MiddaraFlanking.pdf
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