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Friends, you may have seen a Kickstarter update (#15), where Patrick mentioned a *fan-driven expansion*...

And you may have seen a thread last year about a “Big A$$ Snake” faction being designed by a group of fans in Brooklyn, called B*ROOT*LYN:

https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/2086085/root-w-big-snake/pa...

Well, with the support of Leder Gamers, Brooklyn Game Lab is working to bring *FANGUS KHAN* to the Woodland!

The details of when/how this and other fan-factions will/may be released is still being worked out.

In the meantime, we’re opening our design process to the public, sharing the latest build and asking for *your* help getting Khan ready for public consumption (see what I did there?).

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Here is the high-res printable player board (and tokens):

FOR REFERENCE ONLY:

VERSION BM

PLAYER BOARD:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Hw8bUj4bueTHXc4C0dse1UjTcO...

FACTION COMPONENTS:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HY9GKEhQr1h27-sfifql6BKaeO8...

VERSION BN

PLAYER BOARD:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1r7l6LqcFmrDHyoMmlMeg6uKKoAV...

FACTION COMPONENTS:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1S_fGxawUy2bsQJKkj9QKc9GrQo...

CURRENT VERSION:

VERSION BO

PLAYER BOARD:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=17lLGj7JBXLQDJJG1AYd8v2Zw6u...

FACTION COMPONENTS:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Tg1bNoM0Zd1VYbed_3lb87vH0Qt...

PLAYTEST SCORECARD:

JOIN US as we take the new, improved Khan and test it in all sorts of faction/map combos!
If you do end up playing Khan, record and share your results in this thread to help us hone the faction!
All Khan play-testers who comment and submit regular test feedback will get a shout-out in the rulebook!

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1zNTnnj_2B0I85sKPSpr6pzmtNk...



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Congrats, what a marvellous development!
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Man, I can't wait to play the new iteration. It's looking good!

One quick clarification though for others following along. As we've said in the past, we are hoping hoping to officially support some fan content for Root. Right now we are still in the early stages of planning what that looks like. We are also looking for other ways (contests?) to solicit and evaluate additional content.

We'll be sure to share details as soon as we have them. Right now though we are all busy getting Root: The Underworld Expansion ready for production.

Though, in any case, best of luck to Bob and the Brooklyn Game Lab on the continued development of the Khan!
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Fanghus Khan is a name I never knew I'd love so much.
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Yessssss! Asmodeeeeuuus.
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This really feels more like a red Vast character than a Root faction.
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Againsto wrote:
Congrats, what a marvellous development!

Thanks for the support, Felix and thanks for the ideas on the old "Big A$$ Snake" thread.

Huntreth!!!
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Fanghus Khan is a name I never knew I'd love so much.

Jim, thanks for the love! Wait till you play against it and it melts your heart - in its digestive juices.
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Now that it's official, may I add this to my Tabletop Simulator mod? Do you have any artwork for a Fenghis Khan meeple?
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Now that it's official, may I add this to my Tabletop Simulator mod? Do you have any artwork for a Fenghis Khan meeple?

We'd LOVE to help you with this! I'd recommend doing an analog playtest with the faction to see if you have any questions about how it works - we're here to answer any questions!

As far as the meeple, we've been using these Sea Serpents from Survive Escape From Atlantis:



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Cole Wehrle wrote:
Man, I can't wait to play the new iteration. It's looking good!

One quick clarification though for others following along. As we've said in the past, we are hoping hoping to officially support some fan content for Root. Right now we are still in the early stages of planning what that product looks like and when/how it will be released. We are also looking for other ways (contests?) to solicit and evaluate additional content.

We'll be sure to share details as soon as we have them. Right now though we are all busy getting Root: The Underworld Expansion ready for production.

Though, in any case, best of luck to Bob and the Brooklyn Game Lab on the continued development of the Khan!

Cole, thanks as always for supporting our efforts - we're so pumped for the future of fan factions and their potential to expand the ROOT universe in awesome ways!


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Great news!

May I be the Discord’s ambassador and say: It would be really good if Khan could eat Ruins.

Think on it. Sleep on it. Gnaw on it.
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Very excited to see the new semi-official snake. I've been waiting with bated breath ever since the Kickstarter update tease.

Even more exciting, you incorporated my snake den idea! The delayed defensive capabilities is a very smart way to balance it.

Ignoring presence is another very welcome change. Increasing the number of nests per clearing is a better growth option.

The nests track looks better balanced. Victory points on the third nest is much less punishing than on the fourth nest. And tract advancement is more interesting than card draw. Card draw fits better as a growth option than hand size anyway.

Changing Eat to the opponent's choice is a fascinating change. Probably the most interesting change. Really alters the feel of the Snake. Ultimately feels like a very good change. Brings eating more in line with combat. Gives some more decision space to the snakes' opponents.

I'm so, so excited to try out the new version. Sadly I won't have an opportunity for a while as I'm in the midst of a move, but I'll start playtesting as soon as I'm able!

My one big question: can this new version of the snake purchase services from the Riverfolk Company? Does it still return nests to do so?
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Meowayne wrote:
Great news!

May I be the Discord’s ambassador and say: It would be really good if Khan could eat Ruins.

Think on it. Sleep on it. Gnaw on it.

So in the previous version he COULD. And it was cool. The only issue is that it messes with the amount of build-able spots. And now that his nests are TOKENS (that don't take up those spaces) it feels like it opens up the board too much for the Cats.

It also complicates things a tad on when he eats. Can he eat the item under the Ruin? And if he eats the Ruin does the item remain? Does he eat both?

Ultimately we backtracked to "opponents' pieces" because it also allowed us to implicitly say "hey, Khan can't eat its own nests" too.

But in general I'm totally open to exploring this!!
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Meowayne wrote:
Great news!

May I be the Discord’s ambassador and say: It would be really good if Khan could eat Ruins.

Think on it. Sleep on it. Gnaw on it.

Oh yeah! I forgot to talk about the Snake eating ruins! That was one of my favorite aspects of earlier versions of the snake, and I definitely miss it on this current version.

My group is of the feeling that the Vagabond is in need of some competition for resources, so much so that we no longer allow the Vagabond unless a second Vagabond is in the game. I liked that the Snake could put some pressure on the Vagabond by eating ruins and their treasures before the Vagabond could reach them. Did your testing find the Snake was better off only eating opponent's pieces?

Edit: feel free to ignore, you ninja'd me with your reply
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Very excited to see the new semi-official snake. I've been waiting with bated breath ever since the Kickstarter update tease.

Even more exciting, you incorporated my snake den idea! The delayed defensive capabilities is a very smart way to balance it.

Ignoring presence is another very welcome change. Increasing the number of nests per clearing is a better growth option.

The nests track looks better balanced. Victory points on the third nest is much less punishing than on the fourth nest. And tract advancement is more interesting than card draw. Card draw fits better as a growth option than hand size anyway.

Changing Eat to the opponent's choice is a fascinating change. Probably the most interesting change. Really alters the feel of the Snake. Ultimately feels like a very good change. Brings eating more in line with combat. Gives some more decision space to the snakes' opponents.

I'm so, so excited to try out the new version. Sadly I won't have an opportunity for a while as I'm in the midst of a move, but I'll start playtesting as soon as I'm able!

My one big question: can this new version of the snake purchase services from the Riverfolk Company? Does it still return nests to do so?

You nailed it!

And THANK YOU for all the awesome feedback before (we're listening!). You were right about dens / ignoring rule. And yeah - we were so pumped when we found a way to make Nests defenseless... for a moment... then self-protecting.

We are starting our testing of Vagabond and Riverfolk this Thursday. Thematically we want Khan to regurgitate warriors and pay him - but we kind of already know the cost is too high. I'll keep you posted on our approach as the week progresses...
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So hyped to have another single warrior faction to play.
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Wow, beautiful art! Looks like a fascinating faction.
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Meowayne wrote:
Great news!

May I be the Discord’s ambassador and say: It would be really good if Khan could eat Ruins.

Think on it. Sleep on it. Gnaw on it.

So in the previous version he COULD. And it was cool. The only issue is that it messes with the amount of build-able spots. And now that his nests are TOKENS (that don't take up those spaces) it feels like it opens up the board too much for the Cats.

It also complicates things a tad on when he eats. Can he eat the item under the Ruin? And if he eats the Ruin does the item remain? Does he eat both?

Ultimately we backtracked to "opponents' pieces" because it also allowed us to implicitly say "hey, Khan can't eat its own nests" too.

But in general I'm totally open to exploring this!!

I mean, sometimes you gotta decide between what is right and what is easy. Y’know.
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Meowayne wrote:
Brooklyn Game Lab wrote:
Meowayne wrote:
Great news!

May I be the Discord’s ambassador and say: It would be really good if Khan could eat Ruins.

Think on it. Sleep on it. Gnaw on it.

So in the previous version he COULD. And it was cool. The only issue is that it messes with the amount of build-able spots. And now that his nests are TOKENS (that don't take up those spaces) it feels like it opens up the board too much for the Cats.

It also complicates things a tad on when he eats. Can he eat the item under the Ruin? And if he eats the Ruin does the item remain? Does he eat both?

Ultimately we backtracked to "opponents' pieces" because it also allowed us to implicitly say "hey, Khan can't eat its own nests" too.

But in general I'm totally open to exploring this!!

I mean, sometimes you gotta decide between what is right and what is easy. Y’know.

Challenge accepted!
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Really excited to explore Khan more. Playtests of earlier versions were really tense and cool - this snake is a real ticking clock that builds as a threat in a really neat way, sort of like the Alliance's explosive potential.
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This looks amazing. I'm keen to play test it soon.

How do frogs work? I can't find any rules except they start in the mouth. Can they only be used for points (discarding from bowels)? If discarded, do they come back to you and, if so, where do they go (supply/mouth)?
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Brooklyn Game Lab wrote:
Meowayne wrote:
Great news!

May I be the Discord’s ambassador and say: It would be really good if Khan could eat Ruins.

Think on it. Sleep on it. Gnaw on it.

So in the previous version he COULD. And it was cool. The only issue is that it messes with the amount of build-able spots. And now that his nests are TOKENS (that don't take up those spaces) it feels like it opens up the board too much for the Cats.

It also complicates things a tad on when he eats. Can he eat the item under the Ruin? And if he eats the Ruin does the item remain? Does he eat both?

Ultimately we backtracked to "opponents' pieces" because it also allowed us to implicitly say "hey, Khan can't eat its own nests" too.

But in general I'm totally open to exploring this!!

I mean, the cats still need all the help they can get....its definitely one of the weaker factions in Root. This isn't going to be the thing that unbalances them as even in Vagabond games where they open the ruins its not like cats run away with the victory.
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I want Fangus to eat a Vagabond, then the Vagabond fights their way out from the inside.

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