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Subject: Deponent hands rss

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Joseph Ruhf
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Mahjong is a great game, but it can get mildly annoying that two sets of three plus four pairs is not really a complete hand, especially for the patterns which do not strictly require all four sets of three, which causes unnecessary draws if the player never manages to make pungs of two of the four pairs. As two sets of three plus four pairs is a regular hand which has "put down" two of its sets of three and replaced them with pairs, it is called a "deponent" hand, feasible deponent hands under given rules scoring double in full form.
 
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Petyr E
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Such hands lead to oversimplifying the game. Any hand will be gathered and claimed easily. "All pungs" and "7 pairs" worth some good points. What are points for such semi-regular structure?
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Joseph Ruhf
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It also complicates a few things:
1. If you assume the 13-tile game, should it be valid to call a Chow, a (worthless) Pung and four (worthless) pairs with mixed suits a "chicken" hand?
2. If you assume the 13-tile or Taiwanese 16-tile game, should it be valid to call a Small Four Winds hand with Pungs of two (or fewer) Winds, pairs of the others and (one or) two other pairs?
3. If you assume the 13-tile or Taiwanese 16-tile game, should it be valid to call a Small Three Winds/Dragons hand with one (or no) Pung of Winds/Dragons?
On the surface, it appears that these calls should all be valid because none strictly violates the description of what each hand is ("chicken" hands are as mixed as possible without being simply unrelated tiles and Small Four Winds and Small Three Winds/Dragons have one Wind/Dragon that it just has a pair of that Wind/Dragon). However, the 13-tile game only allows two sets in a deponent hand so that the only way to mix Chows and Pungs in a hand is to have one of each and the regular Small Four Winds and Small Three Winds/Dragons have to have only a pair of only one Wind/Dragon. Arguably, the objection to the case of either complication 2 or complication 3 is weaker because it has nothing to do with the properties of a deponent hand.
 
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