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DIGGITYDAWGDUBS wrote:
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If Madeline bussed a little less as a wolf I'd feel really confident about locking in Aumerle/Dubs.

But I'm going to consider evil!Madeline world carefully tomorrow if the person we lynch here is good.


I do plan to get myself killed so that I don't have to actually play the F3. But I won't be lazy - I'll pseudo-play it and give my final thoughts if necessary.

If the Wolf does not kill Javal, he could have a Stalker hit on the Wolf or else a clear.

... Maybe I shouldn't tell the Wolf what the optimal NK is ...

@ WOLF: DEFINITELY LYNCH ME THEN NK AUMERLE! IT'S A GREAT PLAN!
 
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DIGGITYDAWGDUBS wrote:
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"you would say that because it gives you another day to live" because OMG if you had any idea how much I am okay with avoiding an F4 this game ...

F4 doesn't matter much in this game

Uh... It does if we don't lynch the Wolf today!

no aux, F3 is the decider
 
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Aumerle wrote:
I don't think there will be a F3

6 players right now, 2 die today/tonight

4 tomorrow, if another mislynch then it's 2 going into the next day, game over if the wolf is still alive

Am I missing something there?

We are going to vote no lynch tomorrow.
 
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ortho_ wrote:
Aumerle wrote:
I don't think there will be a F3

6 players right now, 2 die today/tonight

4 tomorrow, if another mislynch then it's 2 going into the next day, game over if the wolf is still alive

Am I missing something there?

We are going to vote no lynch tomorrow.
Are you treating yourself as not cleared?
 
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VOTE TALLY

Player (6/10) - # - Voted by

Aumerle - 3 - Javal(2), madelineb(7), DIGGITYDAWGDUBS*(10), ortho_(12)
DIGGITYDAWGDUBS - 3 - madelineb(3), ortho_(5), backpacker(6), Aumerle(9), Javal(11), backpacker(14), Aumerle(15)
Javal - 0 - ortho_(1)
madelineb - 0 - DIGGITYDAWGDUBS(4), Aumerle(13)
backpacker - 0 - DIGGITYDAWGDUBS(8)

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Voter - # - Voted on

Aumerle - 3 - DIGGITYDAWGDUBS(9), madelineb(13), DIGGITYDAWGDUBS(15)
backpacker - 2 - DIGGITYDAWGDUBS(6), DIGGITYDAWGDUBS(14)
DIGGITYDAWGDUBS - 3 - madelineb(4), backpacker(8), Aumerle*(10)
Javal - 2 - Aumerle(2), DIGGITYDAWGDUBS(11)
madelineb - 2 - DIGGITYDAWGDUBS(3), Aumerle(7)
ortho_ - 3 - Javal(1), DIGGITYDAWGDUBS(5), Aumerle(12)

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ortho_ wrote:
Aumerle wrote:
I don't think there will be a F3

6 players right now, 2 die today/tonight

4 tomorrow, if another mislynch then it's 2 going into the next day, game over if the wolf is still alive

Am I missing something there?

We are going to vote no lynch tomorrow.

To elaborate - At F4, people can be paranoid about theories that I'm the deep wolf. I know Backpacker will be. laugh

To eliminate this worry, we vote no lynch tomorrow. Wolves are obligated to kill, because if we keep no lynching and they keep no killing, that's a gamestate that wins the game for good, traditionally. They eventually have to make the kill.

If they want to leave me alive as a paranoia candidate, I would absolutely invite this! But realistically, they will kill me and we'll go to a F3.



Or we just win now, which I'd much prefer.
 
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Aumerle wrote:
I don't think there will be a F3

6 players right now, 2 die today/tonight

4 tomorrow, if another mislynch then it's 2 going into the next day, game over if the wolf is still alive

Am I missing something there?

no, you're right.
I was multi-tasking (foreign language phone call) and overlooking the ruleset. I'm back.
 
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madelineb wrote:
ortho_ wrote:
Aumerle wrote:
I don't think there will be a F3

6 players right now, 2 die today/tonight

4 tomorrow, if another mislynch then it's 2 going into the next day, game over if the wolf is still alive

Am I missing something there?

We are going to vote no lynch tomorrow.
Are you treating yourself as not cleared?

I mean, Javal and Backpacker both made huge posts about how I might be evil in that corner case.

Realistically, there is no chance in hell I get lynched. But if for no other reason than removing that worry, I think we should do it if we reach F4.
 
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ortho_ wrote:
ortho_ wrote:
Aumerle wrote:
I don't think there will be a F3

6 players right now, 2 die today/tonight

4 tomorrow, if another mislynch then it's 2 going into the next day, game over if the wolf is still alive

Am I missing something there?

We are going to vote no lynch tomorrow.

To elaborate - At F4, people can be paranoid about theories that I'm the deep wolf. I know Backpacker will be. laugh

To eliminate this worry, we vote no lynch tomorrow. Wolves are obligated to kill, because if we keep no lynching and they keep no killing, that's a gamestate that wins the game for good, traditionally. They eventually have to make the kill.

If they want to leave me alive as a paranoia candidate, I would absolutely invite this! But realistically, they will kill me and we'll go to a F3.



Or we just win now, which I'd much prefer.

Honestly I never really get those moves. It's just a delay tactic to avoid having to make a call. You're a clear, you're not getting lynched, so passing the buck to just get NKed doesn't change anything.
 
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ortho_ wrote:
Aumerle wrote:
I don't think there will be a F3

6 players right now, 2 die today/tonight

4 tomorrow, if another mislynch then it's 2 going into the next day, game over if the wolf is still alive

Am I missing something there?

We are going to vote no lynch tomorrow.

No offense ortho, but that is a terrible plan! heart You will be NKed. Then that is one less good vote. We need your vote & voice in an F4!
 
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Aumerle wrote:
ortho_ wrote:
ortho_ wrote:
Aumerle wrote:
I don't think there will be a F3

6 players right now, 2 die today/tonight

4 tomorrow, if another mislynch then it's 2 going into the next day, game over if the wolf is still alive

Am I missing something there?

We are going to vote no lynch tomorrow.

To elaborate - At F4, people can be paranoid about theories that I'm the deep wolf. I know Backpacker will be. laugh

To eliminate this worry, we vote no lynch tomorrow. Wolves are obligated to kill, because if we keep no lynching and they keep no killing, that's a gamestate that wins the game for good, traditionally. They eventually have to make the kill.

If they want to leave me alive as a paranoia candidate, I would absolutely invite this! But realistically, they will kill me and we'll go to a F3.



Or we just win now, which I'd much prefer.

Honestly I never really get those moves. It's just a delay tactic to avoid having to make a call. You're a clear, you're not getting lynched, so passing the buck to just get NKed doesn't change anything.

Also FYI if I was the wolf I'd almost certainly not kill you because I'd find it entertaining. But that's just how I roll.
 
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ortho_ wrote:

To elaborate - At F4, people can be paranoid about theories that I'm the deep wolf. I know Backpacker will be. laugh

someone ate the food for thought
 
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ortho_ wrote:
madelineb wrote:
ortho_ wrote:
Aumerle wrote:
I don't think there will be a F3

6 players right now, 2 die today/tonight

4 tomorrow, if another mislynch then it's 2 going into the next day, game over if the wolf is still alive

Am I missing something there?

We are going to vote no lynch tomorrow.
Are you treating yourself as not cleared?

I mean, Javal and Backpacker both made huge posts about how I might be evil in that corner case.

Realistically, there is no chance in hell I get lynched. But if for no other reason than removing that worry, I think we should do it if we reach F4.
I think to some extent that might be an artifact of rules confusion, but I appreciate this answer, it feels like less of a cop-out.

Hopefully we don't have to worry about it.
 
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Aumerle wrote:

Honestly I never really get those moves. It's just a delay tactic to avoid having to make a call. You're a clear, you're not getting lynched, so passing the buck to just get NKed doesn't change anything.

If you believe that all living players would 100% treat me as a clear and never spend a moment's time considering whether I might be a wolf, I agree.

But I think today showed this wouldn't be the case. F3/F4 doesn't get less paranoid than the previous day.

And fair enough. I am not a clear. A GS did not out and declare via mechanics that I'm not a wolf.
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ortho_ wrote:
madelineb wrote:
ortho_ wrote:
Aumerle wrote:
I don't think there will be a F3

6 players right now, 2 die today/tonight

4 tomorrow, if another mislynch then it's 2 going into the next day, game over if the wolf is still alive

Am I missing something there?

We are going to vote no lynch tomorrow.
Are you treating yourself as not cleared?

I mean, Javal and Backpacker both made huge posts about how I might be evil in that corner case.

Realistically, there is no chance in hell I get lynched. But if for no other reason than removing that worry, I think we should do it if we reach F4.

DISAGREE. IF I DIE, DO NOT VOTE NO LYNCH TOMORROW. I WANT ORTHO ALIVE IN THE FINAL DECISION-MAKING PROCESS.
 
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ortho_ wrote:
Aumerle wrote:

Honestly I never really get those moves. It's just a delay tactic to avoid having to make a call. You're a clear, you're not getting lynched, so passing the buck to just get NKed doesn't change anything.

If you believe that all living players would 100% treat me as a clear and never spend a moment's time considering whether I might be a wolf, I agree.

But I think today showed this wouldn't be the case. F3/F4 doesn't get less paranoid than the previous day.

And fair enough. I am not a clear. A GS did not out and declare via mechanics that I'm not a wolf.

Yeah whatever, I know you're good
 
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ortho_ wrote:

To eliminate this worry, we vote no lynch tomorrow. Wolves are obligated to kill, because if we keep no lynching and they keep no killing, that's a gamestate that wins the game for good, traditionally. They eventually have to make the kill.

If they want to leave me alive as a paranoia candidate, I would absolutely invite this! But realistically, they will kill me and we'll go to a F3.

let's just worry about today, tomorrow will take care of itself
 
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With the cop-out stuff - It wouldn't be me going - "Hahaha, sucks for you clowns having to figure this out! [vote no lynch] PEACE"

I wouldn't want to nightfall. I'd treat it as my own personal F3 from a deliberation standpoint. I'd leave my final read and then die.
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@ Aumerle: Regardless of roles and regardless of which of us dies:

 
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VOTE TALLY

Player (6/10) - # - Voted by

Aumerle - 3 - Javal(2), madelineb(7), DIGGITYDAWGDUBS*(10), ortho_(12)
DIGGITYDAWGDUBS - 3 - madelineb(3), ortho_(5), backpacker(6), Aumerle(9), Javal(11), backpacker(14), Aumerle(15)
Javal - 0 - ortho_(1)
madelineb - 0 - DIGGITYDAWGDUBS(4), Aumerle(13)
backpacker - 0 - DIGGITYDAWGDUBS(8)

Not Voting: N/A


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INVERTED TALLY

Voter - # - Voted on

Aumerle - 3 - DIGGITYDAWGDUBS(9), madelineb(13), DIGGITYDAWGDUBS(15)
backpacker - 2 - DIGGITYDAWGDUBS(6), DIGGITYDAWGDUBS(14)
DIGGITYDAWGDUBS - 3 - madelineb(4), backpacker(8), Aumerle*(10)
Javal - 2 - Aumerle(2), DIGGITYDAWGDUBS(11)
madelineb - 2 - DIGGITYDAWGDUBS(3), Aumerle(7)
ortho_ - 3 - Javal(1), DIGGITYDAWGDUBS(5), Aumerle(12)

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[Killed Aumerle] who was a Werewolf.

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