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Behind_the_Walls wrote:
but on the surface a all claim will stop a miss lynch and miss brutals. if we can figure out the other tiebreaker, money.
miss brutals prob the way we loss this.
 
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Behind_the_Walls wrote:
but on the surface a all claim will stop a miss lynch and miss brutals. if we can figure out the other tiebreaker, money.

Agreed, like that logic.

Nobody has trusted me enough to give me a brutal yet, which makes me sad.

Everyone claim please!
 
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12 people total

1 Mad Scientist - Rhanddom
2 Wolves - Beren, ???

1 Voodoo Priest - ???
1 Revenant - Walls
1 Hunter - Bird

3 Regular Villagers - dejo, DUBS, ???
3 Tie-breaker Villagers - Paper, ???, ???

Villager claims: Aumerle, cvb, Majai

Unclaimed: Jedit, Flag

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There are currently exactly the number of villager claims to match the spots, if even one more person claims villager, then one of the villager claims is the wolf.

If two people claim VP then one is the wolf.

Looking at the tie-breaker situations a bit more now that we know that Paper was one of the 3.

Note: Someone else *could* be the Hunter or the Revenant but I'm counting those spots as taken unless they are counterclaimed.
 
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Tailorbird wrote:
Hey there village!

I'm your hunter.
Had Rhand set up for brutal last night as well by the way. kiss

A bad night for him, then. I'm the Voodoo Priest and I also had him set for Brutal. To confirm: I gave the brutal to CVB last night and it was successful.

So now we look at Day 1:

Beren: TBV, Revenant, Vanillager
Majai: Hunter, VP, Vanillager
Walls: MS, ??, ??

Paper: Wolf
Jedit: ??
Aumerle: ??

Roles unknown: Wolf, Vanillager, 2x TBV

We also know that Majai and Aumerle cannot both be TBV, or Walls would have been the D1 lynch. However, that's not relevant for finding evil now.

I think that we get a guaranteed Town win under the following conditions:

1a) We lynch CVB. This has to be done first as he'll have double-brutal if he's evil. If he's Wolf, we win. If not, he brutals one of Flag, Majai or Aumerle. There are five players left at the end of D3.

1b) If Tailor is counter claimed, we instead lynch Tailor. If he's lying then we win; if he's not he brutals the counter-claimant.

Tailor and I then both set our brutals on one of Flag/Majai/Aumerle.

2a) If one of me and Tailor dies and we don't win the game, on D4 there will be three players and only one possible Wolf. Town wins.

2b) If one of the survivors from the evil pool dies, there will be four players and only one possible Wolf. Town wins.

2c) If Walls gets detoughed, all five of us will be alive on D4.

We lynch into the pool again, and set brutals on the remaining candidate.

3a) If Walls is killed, we lynch the last candidate and win.

3b) If anyone else is killed, the Wolf gets brutalled.

Have I overlooked anything?
 
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Okay so here's the D1 final tally again:

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DAY 1 VOTE TALLY

Player (13/13) - # - Voted by

BerenCamlost - 3 - DIGGITYDAWGDUBS(2), cvb2009(16), PaperF(31), dejojam1(35), Behind_the_Walls(37), Aumerle(41), Behind_the_Walls(42)
MajaiofDreams - 3 - PaperF(4), DIGGITYDAWGDUBS(13), Aumerle(14), DIGGITYDAWGDUBS(20), Tailorbird(25), DIGGITYDAWGDUBS(27), Rhanddom(33), DIGGITYDAWGDUBS(38), Behind_the_Walls(39), Jedit(43)
Behind_the_Walls - 3 - Aumerle(21), DIGGITYDAWGDUBS(26), MajaiofDreams(32), Jedit(36), Rhanddom(40), Aumerle(45)
PaperF - 1 - BerenCamlost(5), dejojam1(8), Jedit(34), Aumerle(44)
Jedit - 1 - cvb2009(19), Flagaster(24), DIGGITYDAWGDUBS(28)
Aumerle - 1 - cvb2009(17), PaperF(23), Flagaster(29)
DIGGITYDAWGDUBS - 0 - Jedit(30)
Flagaster - 0 - DIGGITYDAWGDUBS(22)
cvb2009 - 0 - dejojam1(1), Aumerle(15), DIGGITYDAWGDUBS(18)
Rhanddom - 0 - DIGGITYDAWGDUBS(12)
dejojam1 - 0 - Behind_the_Walls(3), dejojam1(6), player_alpha(7), player_alpha(9), DIGGITYDAWGDUBS(10), player_alpha(11)

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Aumerle voted for Behind_the_Walls at 2:00 PM CDT on 7/25/2019

We know the 3 on Beren now - 1 tie-breaker, 1 regular villager and the Revenant. So that means that there can be MAX 1 tie-breaker on both Majai and Walls, if there were 2 on one of those, they would have been lynched over Beren.

So the remaining people who could be tiebreaker villagers based on this are:

Jedit
Majai or Aumerle (not both)
cvb
Flag


I guess this doesn't change much in this moment but if we can get claims from Jedit and Flag that could narrow it down.
 
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I think we're in really good shape and I pretty much agree with your logic there Jedit. I would like a claim from Flag because I think that clarifies things. Either he CCs someone or there are 4 villager claims with 3 spots, which also clears you and Bird as uncountered.

Also, cvb can you confirm that you were gifted a brutal? That basically confirms Jedit's claim.
 
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I also somewhat believe (and already thought) that Jedit might be VP because he generally doesn't seem to trust me and while I think I should have been gifted a brutal, the fact that he would choose elsewhere is believable to me. cool
 
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Aumerle wrote:
I think we're in really good shape and I pretty much agree with your logic there Jedit. I would like a claim from Flag because I think that clarifies things. Either he CCs someone or there are 4 villager claims with 3 spots, which also clears you and Bird as uncountered.

Also, cvb can you confirm that you were gifted a brutal? That basically confirms Jedit's claim.

Clearing my claim isn't important as I also have a brutal. If I'm CCed then we do exactly the same as for Tailor.
 
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I think we're in really good shape and I pretty much agree with your logic there Jedit. I would like a claim from Flag because I think that clarifies things. Either he CCs someone or there are 4 villager claims with 3 spots, which also clears you and Bird as uncountered.

Also, cvb can you confirm that you were gifted a brutal? That basically confirms Jedit's claim.

Clearing my claim isn't important as I also have a brutal. If I'm CCed then we do exactly the same as for Tailor.

It's just how my brain works. If Flag claims a role then we lynch into the claims and if he doesn't then.. cvb? so that he can start taking shots into the pool as you said?
 
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Sweet jeebus we are going to wrap this up in record time. Vanillager here.

I'll be back later in the evening. Going out for dinner with my son. We're on holiday in Nova Scotia and my phone has terrible service here. So I'm unfortunately AWOL a bit more than I had hoped for.
 
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Okay so:

Walls - Rev
Bird - Hunter
Jedit - VP

Unknowns:

Aumerle, cvb, Majai, Flag - all claimed villager

Only 3 villager spots left, so it's one of those 4.

Jedit's plan seemed to be to lynch cvb and if it's not him, he brutals one of the remaining 3. That will only leave 2 possibles for tomorrow in a worst case scenario.

[vote cvb]

Personally, I think it's Majai. Tone wise he seems a bit off but that could be explained by out of game things going on that are distracting him. I also could see him as a Rhand wolf pick though. Just complete gut take there. But I agree that if cvb was gifted a brutal then the safe thing to do is to lynch him first just in case.

If there's a good counter argument to this, I'm all ears.
 
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VOTE TALLY

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cvb2009 - 1 - Aumerle(1)

Not Voting: Behind_the_Walls, cvb2009, Flagaster, Jedit, MajaiofDreams, Tailorbird


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Aumerle - 1 - cvb2009(1)

Not Voting: Behind_the_Walls, cvb2009, Flagaster, Jedit, MajaiofDreams, Tailorbird
 
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Jedit wrote:
Tailorbird wrote:
Hey there village!

I'm your hunter.
Had Rhand set up for brutal last night as well by the way. kiss

A bad night for him, then. I'm the Voodoo Priest and I also had him set for Brutal. To confirm: I gave the brutal to CVB last night and it was successful.

So now we look at Day 1:

Beren: TBV, Revenant, Vanillager
Majai: Hunter, VP, Vanillager
Walls: MS, ??, ??

Paper: Wolf
Jedit: ??
Aumerle: ??

Roles unknown: Wolf, Vanillager, 2x TBV

We also know that Majai and Aumerle cannot both be TBV, or Walls would have been the D1 lynch. However, that's not relevant for finding evil now.

I think that we get a guaranteed Town win under the following conditions:

1a) We lynch CVB. This has to be done first as he'll have double-brutal if he's evil. If he's Wolf, we win. If not, he brutals one of Flag, Majai or Aumerle. There are five players left at the end of D3.

1b) If Tailor is counter claimed, we instead lynch Tailor. If he's lying then we win; if he's not he brutals the counter-claimant.

Tailor and I then both set our brutals on one of Flag/Majai/Aumerle.

2a) If one of me and Tailor dies and we don't win the game, on D4 there will be three players and only one possible Wolf. Town wins.

2b) If one of the survivors from the evil pool dies, there will be four players and only one possible Wolf. Town wins.

2c) If Walls gets detoughed, all five of us will be alive on D4.

We lynch into the pool again, and set brutals on the remaining candidate.

3a) If Walls is killed, we lynch the last candidate and win.

3b) If anyone else is killed, the Wolf gets brutalled.

Have I overlooked anything?

I subscribe to this plan.
Sidenote: for my user, I prefer the shorthand "Bird"
Tailor just makes me feel like a rude pop singer.
 
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Tailorbird wrote:
Jedit wrote:
Tailorbird wrote:
Hey there village!

I'm your hunter.
Had Rhand set up for brutal last night as well by the way. kiss

A bad night for him, then. I'm the Voodoo Priest and I also had him set for Brutal. To confirm: I gave the brutal to CVB last night and it was successful.

So now we look at Day 1:

Beren: TBV, Revenant, Vanillager
Majai: Hunter, VP, Vanillager
Walls: MS, ??, ??

Paper: Wolf
Jedit: ??
Aumerle: ??

Roles unknown: Wolf, Vanillager, 2x TBV

We also know that Majai and Aumerle cannot both be TBV, or Walls would have been the D1 lynch. However, that's not relevant for finding evil now.

I think that we get a guaranteed Town win under the following conditions:

1a) We lynch CVB. This has to be done first as he'll have double-brutal if he's evil. If he's Wolf, we win. If not, he brutals one of Flag, Majai or Aumerle. There are five players left at the end of D3.

1b) If Tailor is counter claimed, we instead lynch Tailor. If he's lying then we win; if he's not he brutals the counter-claimant.

Tailor and I then both set our brutals on one of Flag/Majai/Aumerle.

2a) If one of me and Tailor dies and we don't win the game, on D4 there will be three players and only one possible Wolf. Town wins.

2b) If one of the survivors from the evil pool dies, there will be four players and only one possible Wolf. Town wins.

2c) If Walls gets detoughed, all five of us will be alive on D4.

We lynch into the pool again, and set brutals on the remaining candidate.

3a) If Walls is killed, we lynch the last candidate and win.

3b) If anyone else is killed, the Wolf gets brutalled.

Have I overlooked anything?

I subscribe to this plan.
Sidenote: for my user, I prefer the shorthand "Bird"
Tailor just makes me feel like a rude pop singer.

I thought you were making a play on words. A swift is a bird.
 
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Player (7/12) - # - Voted by

cvb2009 - 2 - Aumerle(1), Flagaster(2)

Not Voting: Behind_the_Walls, cvb2009, Jedit, MajaiofDreams, Tailorbird


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INVERTED TALLY

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Aumerle - 1 - cvb2009(1)
Flagaster - 1 - cvb2009(2)

Not Voting: Behind_the_Walls, cvb2009, Jedit, MajaiofDreams, Tailorbird
 
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Jedit wrote:
Tailorbird wrote:
Jedit wrote:
Tailorbird wrote:
Hey there village!

I'm your hunter.
Had Rhand set up for brutal last night as well by the way. kiss

A bad night for him, then. I'm the Voodoo Priest and I also had him set for Brutal. To confirm: I gave the brutal to CVB last night and it was successful.

So now we look at Day 1:

Beren: TBV, Revenant, Vanillager
Majai: Hunter, VP, Vanillager
Walls: MS, ??, ??

Paper: Wolf
Jedit: ??
Aumerle: ??

Roles unknown: Wolf, Vanillager, 2x TBV

We also know that Majai and Aumerle cannot both be TBV, or Walls would have been the D1 lynch. However, that's not relevant for finding evil now.

I think that we get a guaranteed Town win under the following conditions:

1a) We lynch CVB. This has to be done first as he'll have double-brutal if he's evil. If he's Wolf, we win. If not, he brutals one of Flag, Majai or Aumerle. There are five players left at the end of D3.

1b) If Tailor is counter claimed, we instead lynch Tailor. If he's lying then we win; if he's not he brutals the counter-claimant.

Tailor and I then both set our brutals on one of Flag/Majai/Aumerle.

2a) If one of me and Tailor dies and we don't win the game, on D4 there will be three players and only one possible Wolf. Town wins.

2b) If one of the survivors from the evil pool dies, there will be four players and only one possible Wolf. Town wins.

2c) If Walls gets detoughed, all five of us will be alive on D4.

We lynch into the pool again, and set brutals on the remaining candidate.

3a) If Walls is killed, we lynch the last candidate and win.

3b) If anyone else is killed, the Wolf gets brutalled.

Have I overlooked anything?

I subscribe to this plan.
Sidenote: for my user, I prefer the shorthand "Bird"
Tailor just makes me feel like a rude pop singer.

I thought you were making a play on words. A swift is a bird.

Ah, didn't know that. Tailorbird is a specific type of bird as well, and pretty amusing
 
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Jedit wrote:
Tailorbird wrote:
Hey there village!

I'm your hunter.
Had Rhand set up for brutal last night as well by the way. kiss

A bad night for him, then. I'm the Voodoo Priest and I also had him set for Brutal. To confirm: I gave the brutal to CVB last night and it was successful.

So now we look at Day 1:

Beren: TBV, Revenant, Vanillager
Majai: Hunter, VP, Vanillager
Walls: MS, ??, ??

Paper: Wolf
Jedit: ??
Aumerle: ??

Roles unknown: Wolf, Vanillager, 2x TBV

We also know that Majai and Aumerle cannot both be TBV, or Walls would have been the D1 lynch. However, that's not relevant for finding evil now.

I think that we get a guaranteed Town win under the following conditions:

1a) We lynch CVB. This has to be done first as he'll have double-brutal if he's evil. If he's Wolf, we win. If not, he brutals one of Flag, Majai or Aumerle. There are five players left at the end of D3.

1b) If Tailor is counter claimed, we instead lynch Tailor. If he's lying then we win; if he's not he brutals the counter-claimant.

Tailor and I then both set our brutals on one of Flag/Majai/Aumerle.

2a) If one of me and Tailor dies and we don't win the game, on D4 there will be three players and only one possible Wolf. Town wins.

2b) If one of the survivors from the evil pool dies, there will be four players and only one possible Wolf. Town wins.

2c) If Walls gets detoughed, all five of us will be alive on D4.

We lynch into the pool again, and set brutals on the remaining candidate.

3a) If Walls is killed, we lynch the last candidate and win.

3b) If anyone else is killed, the Wolf gets brutalled.

Have I overlooked anything?

[vote cvb] should we just say who we are brutaling so we don't overlap? Or no we can just actually que the commands and should work
 
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cvb2009 - 3 - Aumerle(1), Flagaster(2), Tailorbird(3)

Not Voting: Behind_the_Walls, cvb2009, Jedit, MajaiofDreams


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Aumerle - 1 - cvb2009(1)
Flagaster - 1 - cvb2009(2)
Tailorbird - 1 - cvb2009(3)

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Tailorbird wrote:
Jedit wrote:
Tailorbird wrote:
Hey there village!

I'm your hunter.
Had Rhand set up for brutal last night as well by the way. kiss

A bad night for him, then. I'm the Voodoo Priest and I also had him set for Brutal. To confirm: I gave the brutal to CVB last night and it was successful.

So now we look at Day 1:

Beren: TBV, Revenant, Vanillager
Majai: Hunter, VP, Vanillager
Walls: MS, ??, ??

Paper: Wolf
Jedit: ??
Aumerle: ??

Roles unknown: Wolf, Vanillager, 2x TBV

We also know that Majai and Aumerle cannot both be TBV, or Walls would have been the D1 lynch. However, that's not relevant for finding evil now.

I think that we get a guaranteed Town win under the following conditions:

1a) We lynch CVB. This has to be done first as he'll have double-brutal if he's evil. If he's Wolf, we win. If not, he brutals one of Flag, Majai or Aumerle. There are five players left at the end of D3.

1b) If Tailor is counter claimed, we instead lynch Tailor. If he's lying then we win; if he's not he brutals the counter-claimant.

Tailor and I then both set our brutals on one of Flag/Majai/Aumerle.

2a) If one of me and Tailor dies and we don't win the game, on D4 there will be three players and only one possible Wolf. Town wins.

2b) If one of the survivors from the evil pool dies, there will be four players and only one possible Wolf. Town wins.

2c) If Walls gets detoughed, all five of us will be alive on D4.

We lynch into the pool again, and set brutals on the remaining candidate.

3a) If Walls is killed, we lynch the last candidate and win.

3b) If anyone else is killed, the Wolf gets brutalled.

Have I overlooked anything?

[vote cvb] should we just say who we are brutaling so we don't overlap? Or no we can just actually que the commands and should work

It doesn't matter who we brutal as long as we both brutal within the pool.
 
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Flag's been here and hasn't counter-claimed, so we can go with it.
 
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cvb2009 - 4 - Aumerle(1), Flagaster(2), Tailorbird(3), Jedit(4)

Not Voting: Behind_the_Walls, cvb2009, MajaiofDreams


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Flagaster - 1 - cvb2009(2)
Jedit - 1 - cvb2009(4)
Tailorbird - 1 - cvb2009(3)

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[Vote cvb]

Sounds good to me. He was in my suspicion pool.

I felt he was a bit trying to lurk in the shadows day 1 and now that our specials are claimed, I think it was more likely that hes a wolf.
 
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Player (7/12) - # - Voted by

cvb2009 - 5 - Aumerle(1), Flagaster(2), Tailorbird(3), Jedit(4), MajaiofDreams(5)

Not Voting: Behind_the_Walls, cvb2009


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INVERTED TALLY

Voter - # - Voted on

Aumerle - 1 - cvb2009(1)
Flagaster - 1 - cvb2009(2)
Jedit - 1 - cvb2009(4)
MajaiofDreams - 1 - cvb2009(5)
Tailorbird - 1 - cvb2009(3)

Not Voting: Behind_the_Walls, cvb2009
 
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