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codeia wrote:
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In the world where evil doesn't get lynched D1, it would suck because we'd enter D2 with evils.

I also think it's important to leave the hunter alive as long as possible, but in a small game such as this with few people, of the wolf NK is the hunter, then the hunter would have a decent chance of hitting evil.
I'm pretty sure we have to get it right today. Its only 5 of us.

Which would mean that the best course of action is the seer claiming in favor of leaving the hunter alive for the brutal?

None of the roles have a brutal in this set
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Smugs wrote:
I mean, if the blush was not sufficient, I am retracting my Seer claim.

I mean, Samool did the same thing, so I wasn't exactly confident he'd be maintaining his claim either, but thanks for clarifying.

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:0 forgot about this
Luckily i out my seer order in

I'm sure you did.

Yep Zenmonkey is a werewoof [vote zen]

Actually I'm going to say not a werewolf so [vote cvb]



 
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ZenMonkey11 wrote:
cvb2009 wrote:
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hey samool, what do you think about codeia not voting yet?

I just finished a game with her and it doesnt ring alarm bells
She just explained herself but still no vote. I'm not the game math wiz but I think we only have 2 chances to get it right, so pressure votes are needed as soon as possible.

We may only have one. If a good is lynched today, and the sorcerer isn't nightkilled, evil has voting control in the final three. They might still have the hunter to worry about, but it isn't good's opportunity to get it right or wrong anymore.
Crap decisions, decisions.

What do you think of smug and samool?

Unless either of them retracts, I have to go with Smugs as Sorc and Samool as wolf.
OK, so if we have one chance to get it right and you're saying we have 2 seer claims, if neither of them is the seer shouldn't the seer claim?

I'm not sure what you're getting at. I am the third seer claim:
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Smugs is not a wolf.

[vote zenmonkey], are you?
 
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ZenMonkey11 wrote:
Smugs wrote:
ZenMonkey11 wrote:
Smugs wrote:
ZenMonkey11 wrote:
cvb2009 wrote:
ZenMonkey11 wrote:
cvb2009 wrote:
ZenMonkey11 wrote:
Samool wrote:
ZenMonkey11 wrote:
hey samool, what do you think about codeia not voting yet?

I just finished a game with her and it doesnt ring alarm bells
She just explained herself but still no vote. I'm not the game math wiz but I think we only have 2 chances to get it right, so pressure votes are needed as soon as possible.

We may only have one. If a good is lynched today, and the sorcerer isn't nightkilled, evil has voting control in the final three. They might still have the hunter to worry about, but it isn't good's opportunity to get it right or wrong anymore.
Crap decisions, decisions.

What do you think of smug and samool?

Unless either of them retracts, I have to go with Smugs as Sorc and Samool as wolf.
OK, so if we have one chance to get it right and you're saying we have 2 seer claims, if neither of them is the seer shouldn't the seer claim?

Absolutely. If you or Codeia is the Seer, you should be claiming today.
So you saying you not the seer?

Yes. I already said that.
So if we don't have 2 seer claims a real seer claiming would be bad.

Seers are overrated in this set. That being said, a seer with a hit should absolutely claim, and a seer who's clear is going to be lynched should also probably claim. But I don't think it's unreasonable to claim straight out of the gate regardless.
 
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codeia wrote:
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codeia, we could use your insight on this.

For me it could be samool and cvb, or samool and smug. I don't think there is a cvb and smug team. I could be wrong but I don't think so.

Just about finished catching up. Smugs having two clears is odd, and I found it even more peculiar that she and cvb cleared each other. I'm getting a good vibe from Smugs so I'm not sure what to make of her two claims.

My original vote was very meta and I'm not picking up any pings from Samool yet. If anything, cvb pings me more. [vote cvb2009]

Examples?
 
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I was originally going to retract and let q fake claim take the NK but then I realised there was a lot of things that could go wrong with that plan
Like?.... I would think A) Wolf eats their sorc B) It's a wolf faking seer, then we know thete is a good chance we have a fake seer wolf.

How about C) It's a wolf not killing the seer claim to get them killed D2?
 
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Samool wrote:
I think cvb is the sorcerer which makes zen good. In my opinion we should try have smugs and codeia claim at the same time in case one of them claims zen's role
I like your idea, but how does cvb being sorc make me good?
 
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Samool wrote:
codeia wrote:
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codeia wrote:


In the world where evil doesn't get lynched D1, it would suck because we'd enter D2 with evils.

I also think it's important to leave the hunter alive as long as possible, but in a small game such as this with few people, of the wolf NK is the hunter, then the hunter would have a decent chance of hitting evil.
I'm pretty sure we have to get it right today. Its only 5 of us.

Which would mean that the best course of action is the seer claiming in favor of leaving the hunter alive for the brutal?

None of the roles have a brutal in this set

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codeia wrote:
Smugs wrote:
ZenMonkey11 wrote:
Smugs wrote:
ZenMonkey11 wrote:
Smugs wrote:
ZenMonkey11 wrote:
cvb2009 wrote:
ZenMonkey11 wrote:
cvb2009 wrote:
ZenMonkey11 wrote:
Samool wrote:
ZenMonkey11 wrote:
hey samool, what do you think about codeia not voting yet?

I just finished a game with her and it doesnt ring alarm bells
She just explained herself but still no vote. I'm not the game math wiz but I think we only have 2 chances to get it right, so pressure votes are needed as soon as possible.

We may only have one. If a good is lynched today, and the sorcerer isn't nightkilled, evil has voting control in the final three. They might still have the hunter to worry about, but it isn't good's opportunity to get it right or wrong anymore.
Crap decisions, decisions.

What do you think of smug and samool?

Unless either of them retracts, I have to go with Smugs as Sorc and Samool as wolf.
OK, so if we have one chance to get it right and you're saying we have 2 seer claims, if neither of them is the seer shouldn't the seer claim?

Absolutely. If you or Codeia is the Seer, you should be claiming today.
So you saying you not the seer?

Yes. I already said that.
So if we don't have 2 seer claims a real seer claiming would be bad.

No, because if you or Codeia are the real Seer, we either might vote you out, or you might die tonight and not get to reveal your clear.

Even if you survive, you might find yourself against the Sorc and Wolf and just lose, so coming out today is the right move.
The only thing that concerns me with the real seer claiming is that we ensure the wolf NK is the seer. However, it seems like the more seer possibilities there are, the less likely it'll be for the wolf to target the seer. That could potentially give us two views if the seer doesn't die before D2.

On the flip side, it would suck if the sorc claimed seer in the pool and the wolf decided to NK their sorc. So maybe it's better for the seer to claim?

I'm inclined to keep as many seer claims as possible to make it more difficult for the wolves to figure out who the actual seer is to possibly give us another clear on D2. The only time I'd want the seer to claim is if it was imperative, during lynch chaos with the seer in contention of being lynched.

If we make it to D2, I'd rather the seer be dead than the hunter, so I'm okay with that. Two views are useless D2 if you're up against the wolf and sorcerer, and what are the chances that both views are still alive in that case anyway?

Suck for who? [vote codeia]

And I can't understand what the last bit is saying. You want there to be as many seer claims as possible but you don't want the seer to claim unless absolutely necessary?
 
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codeia wrote:
ZenMonkey11 wrote:
codeia wrote:
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codeia, we could use your insight on this.

For me it could be samool and cvb, or samool and smug. I don't think there is a cvb and smug team. I could be wrong but I don't think so.

Just about finished catching up. Smugs having two clears is odd, and I found it even more peculiar that she and cvb cleared each other. I'm getting a good vibe from Smugs so I'm not sure what to make of her two claims.

My original vote was very meta and I'm not picking up any pings from Samool yet. If anything, cvb pings me more. [vote cvb2009]
Why does cvb ping you more?

I think it has a lot to do with cvb and Smugs clearing each other and not being able to reconcile the fact of the good vibes I'm getting from Smugs. Going back through, seeing her post cvb as her clear after cvb cleared is slightly pings me. Is it possible this could be the sorc hinting to the wolf and the wolf confirming they received the hint? Is there even enough there to make that possible?

The sorcerer doesn't know the wolf, so that would be rather difficult.

So actually, I don't ping you more, but Smugs pings you less? What does that have to do with Samool then?
 
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VOTE TALLY

Player (5/5) - # - Voted by

cvb2009 - 3 - Samool(3), ZenMonkey11(8), codeia(11)
Samool - 1 - codeia(7), Smugs(9), cvb2009(10)
codeia - 1 - ZenMonkey11(4), cvb2009(12)
ZenMonkey11 - 0 - Samool(1), cvb2009(5), Smugs(6)
Smugs - 0 - ZenMonkey11(2)

Not Voting: N/A


Nightfall votes are denoted by an '*' after the player's name.

Your Moderator has chosen to use the Longest Held Last Vote method for a tiebreaker - This is just for Cassandra system, and there may be a different tiebreaker specified by your Moderator in the ruleset.

Lynch time is at 4:01 PM BGG
Night Action deadline is at 5:01 PM BGG

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INVERTED TALLY

Voter - # - Voted on

codeia - 2 - Samool(7), cvb2009(11)
cvb2009 - 3 - ZenMonkey11(5), Samool(10), codeia(12)
Samool - 2 - ZenMonkey11(1), cvb2009(3)
Smugs - 2 - ZenMonkey11(6), Samool(9)
ZenMonkey11 - 3 - Smugs(2), codeia(4), cvb2009(8)

Not Voting: N/A
 
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Smugs wrote:
codeia wrote:
Smugs wrote:
ZenMonkey11 wrote:
Smugs wrote:
ZenMonkey11 wrote:
Smugs wrote:
ZenMonkey11 wrote:
cvb2009 wrote:
ZenMonkey11 wrote:
cvb2009 wrote:
ZenMonkey11 wrote:
Samool wrote:
ZenMonkey11 wrote:
hey samool, what do you think about codeia not voting yet?

I just finished a game with her and it doesnt ring alarm bells
She just explained herself but still no vote. I'm not the game math wiz but I think we only have 2 chances to get it right, so pressure votes are needed as soon as possible.

We may only have one. If a good is lynched today, and the sorcerer isn't nightkilled, evil has voting control in the final three. They might still have the hunter to worry about, but it isn't good's opportunity to get it right or wrong anymore.
Crap decisions, decisions.

What do you think of smug and samool?

Unless either of them retracts, I have to go with Smugs as Sorc and Samool as wolf.
OK, so if we have one chance to get it right and you're saying we have 2 seer claims, if neither of them is the seer shouldn't the seer claim?

Absolutely. If you or Codeia is the Seer, you should be claiming today.
So you saying you not the seer?

Yes. I already said that.
So if we don't have 2 seer claims a real seer claiming would be bad.

No, because if you or Codeia are the real Seer, we either might vote you out, or you might die tonight and not get to reveal your clear.

Even if you survive, you might find yourself against the Sorc and Wolf and just lose, so coming out today is the right move.
The only thing that concerns me with the real seer claiming is that we ensure the wolf NK is the seer. However, it seems like the more seer possibilities there are, the less likely it'll be for the wolf to target the seer. That could potentially give us two views if the seer doesn't die before D2.

On the flip side, it would suck if the sorc claimed seer in the pool and the wolf decided to NK their sorc. So maybe it's better for the seer to claim?

I'm inclined to keep as many seer claims as possible to make it more difficult for the wolves to figure out who the actual seer is to possibly give us another clear on D2. The only time I'd want the seer to claim is if it was imperative, during lynch chaos with the seer in contention of being lynched.

Why would it suck if the Wolf NKed the Sorc?

Keeping the Seer alive is less important than keeping the Hunter alive, IMO.

Smugs - 1
CVB - 0
 
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Smugs wrote:
codeia wrote:
ZenMonkey11 wrote:
codeia wrote:
ZenMonkey11 wrote:
codeia, we could use your insight on this.

For me it could be samool and cvb, or samool and smug. I don't think there is a cvb and smug team. I could be wrong but I don't think so.

Just about finished catching up. Smugs having two clears is odd, and I found it even more peculiar that she and cvb cleared each other. I'm getting a good vibe from Smugs so I'm not sure what to make of her two claims.

My original vote was very meta and I'm not picking up any pings from Samool yet. If anything, cvb pings me more. [vote cvb2009]
Why does cvb ping you more?

I think it has a lot to do with cvb and Smugs clearing each other and not being able to reconcile the fact of the good vibes I'm getting from Smugs. Going back through, seeing her post cvb as her clear after cvb cleared is slightly pings me. Is it possible this could be the sorc hinting to the wolf and the wolf confirming they received the hint? Is there even enough there to make that possible?

The Sorc is uninformed in this game

Smugs - 2
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cvb2009 wrote:
codeia wrote:
ZenMonkey11 wrote:
codeia, we could use your insight on this.

For me it could be samool and cvb, or samool and smug. I don't think there is a cvb and smug team. I could be wrong but I don't think so.

Just about finished catching up. Smugs having two clears is odd, and I found it even more peculiar that she and cvb cleared each other. I'm getting a good vibe from Smugs so I'm not sure what to make of her two claims.

My original vote was very meta and I'm not picking up any pings from Samool yet. If anything, cvb pings me more. [vote cvb2009]

Examples?

codeia wrote:
ZenMonkey11 wrote:
codeia wrote:
ZenMonkey11 wrote:
codeia, we could use your insight on this.

For me it could be samool and cvb, or samool and smug. I don't think there is a cvb and smug team. I could be wrong but I don't think so.

Just about finished catching up. Smugs having two clears is odd, and I found it even more peculiar that she and cvb cleared each other. I'm getting a good vibe from Smugs so I'm not sure what to make of her two claims.

My original vote was very meta and I'm not picking up any pings from Samool yet. If anything, cvb pings me more. [vote cvb2009]
Why does cvb ping you more?

I think it has a lot to do with cvb and Smugs clearing each other and not being able to reconcile the fact of the good vibes I'm getting from Smugs. Going back through, seeing her post cvb as her clear after cvb cleared is slightly pings me. Is it possible this could be the sorc hinting to the wolf and the wolf confirming they received the hint? Is there even enough there to make that possible?

I know now that sorc is uniformed. Which means my world view has changed slightly.
 
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codeia wrote:
In the world where evil doesn't get lynched D1, it would suck because we'd enter D2 with evils.

I also think it's important to leave the hunter alive as long as possible, but in a small game such as this with few people, of the wolf NK is the hunter, then the hunter would have a decent chance of hitting evil.

In the world where evil doesn't get lynched D1, the wolf NKing the sorc is the only chance left of not going into D2 with multiple evils.
 
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Samool wrote:
I think cvb is the sorcerer which makes zen good. In my opinion we should try have smugs and codeia claim at the same time in case one of them claims zen's role

I don't think we should be outing the hunter today. If you think one of them is more evil than the other, feel free to run them up, and I'll ignore you since you're still countering me. laugh
 
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cvb2009 wrote:
codeia wrote:
ZenMonkey11 wrote:
codeia wrote:
ZenMonkey11 wrote:
codeia, we could use your insight on this.

For me it could be samool and cvb, or samool and smug. I don't think there is a cvb and smug team. I could be wrong but I don't think so.

Just about finished catching up. Smugs having two clears is odd, and I found it even more peculiar that she and cvb cleared each other. I'm getting a good vibe from Smugs so I'm not sure what to make of her two claims.

My original vote was very meta and I'm not picking up any pings from Samool yet. If anything, cvb pings me more. [vote cvb2009]
Why does cvb ping you more?

I think it has a lot to do with cvb and Smugs clearing each other and not being able to reconcile the fact of the good vibes I'm getting from Smugs. Going back through, seeing her post cvb as her clear after cvb cleared is slightly pings me. Is it possible this could be the sorc hinting to the wolf and the wolf confirming they received the hint? Is there even enough there to make that possible?

The sorcerer doesn't know the wolf, so that would be rather difficult.

So actually, I don't ping you more, but Smugs pings you less? What does that have to do with Samool then?
I originally had a good vibe coming from Smugs, but that pinged me more and you less. It has nothing to do with Samool. My point with Samool was that my vote there was more meta than anything.
 
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I think cvb is the sorcerer which makes zen good. In my opinion we should try have smugs and codeia claim at the same time in case one of them claims zen's role
I like your idea, but how does cvb being sorc make me good?

I viewed you as 'not wolf' last night...
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codeia wrote:
cvb2009 wrote:
codeia wrote:
ZenMonkey11 wrote:
codeia, we could use your insight on this.

For me it could be samool and cvb, or samool and smug. I don't think there is a cvb and smug team. I could be wrong but I don't think so.

Just about finished catching up. Smugs having two clears is odd, and I found it even more peculiar that she and cvb cleared each other. I'm getting a good vibe from Smugs so I'm not sure what to make of her two claims.

My original vote was very meta and I'm not picking up any pings from Samool yet. If anything, cvb pings me more. [vote cvb2009]

Examples?

codeia wrote:
ZenMonkey11 wrote:
codeia wrote:
ZenMonkey11 wrote:
codeia, we could use your insight on this.

For me it could be samool and cvb, or samool and smug. I don't think there is a cvb and smug team. I could be wrong but I don't think so.

Just about finished catching up. Smugs having two clears is odd, and I found it even more peculiar that she and cvb cleared each other. I'm getting a good vibe from Smugs so I'm not sure what to make of her two claims.

My original vote was very meta and I'm not picking up any pings from Samool yet. If anything, cvb pings me more. [vote cvb2009]
Why does cvb ping you more?

I think it has a lot to do with cvb and Smugs clearing each other and not being able to reconcile the fact of the good vibes I'm getting from Smugs. Going back through, seeing her post cvb as her clear after cvb cleared is slightly pings me. Is it possible this could be the sorc hinting to the wolf and the wolf confirming they received the hint? Is there even enough there to make that possible?

I know now that sorc is uniformed. Which means my world view has changed slightly.

Ah, fair enough.
 
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codeia wrote:
cvb2009 wrote:
codeia wrote:
ZenMonkey11 wrote:
codeia wrote:
ZenMonkey11 wrote:
codeia, we could use your insight on this.

For me it could be samool and cvb, or samool and smug. I don't think there is a cvb and smug team. I could be wrong but I don't think so.

Just about finished catching up. Smugs having two clears is odd, and I found it even more peculiar that she and cvb cleared each other. I'm getting a good vibe from Smugs so I'm not sure what to make of her two claims.

My original vote was very meta and I'm not picking up any pings from Samool yet. If anything, cvb pings me more. [vote cvb2009]
Why does cvb ping you more?

I think it has a lot to do with cvb and Smugs clearing each other and not being able to reconcile the fact of the good vibes I'm getting from Smugs. Going back through, seeing her post cvb as her clear after cvb cleared is slightly pings me. Is it possible this could be the sorc hinting to the wolf and the wolf confirming they received the hint? Is there even enough there to make that possible?

The sorcerer doesn't know the wolf, so that would be rather difficult.

So actually, I don't ping you more, but Smugs pings you less? What does that have to do with Samool then?
I originally had a good vibe coming from Smugs, but that pinged me more and you less. It has nothing to do with Samool. My point with Samool was that my vote there was more meta than anything.

But if you're voting between the seer claims, you must, at some level, be comparing me and Samool, which I'm not seeing explained. But given that your world view has changed, I'm not sure that's relevant anymore.
 
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I want people to clarify whether they intend to claim Seer or not.

Cvb is with a clear of me, and Samool with a clear of Zen.

If no one else claims, we have one Evil between them, and one between Codeia, me and Zen.
 
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cvb2009 wrote:
ZenMonkey11 wrote:
Smugs wrote:
ZenMonkey11 wrote:
Smugs wrote:
ZenMonkey11 wrote:
cvb2009 wrote:
ZenMonkey11 wrote:
cvb2009 wrote:
ZenMonkey11 wrote:
Samool wrote:
ZenMonkey11 wrote:
hey samool, what do you think about codeia not voting yet?

I just finished a game with her and it doesnt ring alarm bells
She just explained herself but still no vote. I'm not the game math wiz but I think we only have 2 chances to get it right, so pressure votes are needed as soon as possible.

We may only have one. If a good is lynched today, and the sorcerer isn't nightkilled, evil has voting control in the final three. They might still have the hunter to worry about, but it isn't good's opportunity to get it right or wrong anymore.
Crap decisions, decisions.

What do you think of smug and samool?

Unless either of them retracts, I have to go with Smugs as Sorc and Samool as wolf.
OK, so if we have one chance to get it right and you're saying we have 2 seer claims, if neither of them is the seer shouldn't the seer claim?

Absolutely. If you or Codeia is the Seer, you should be claiming today.
So you saying you not the seer?

Yes. I already said that.
So if we don't have 2 seer claims a real seer claiming would be bad.

Seers are overrated in this set. That being said, a seer with a hit should absolutely claim, and a seer who's clear is going to be lynched should also probably claim. But I don't think it's unreasonable to claim straight out of the gate regardless.
Yeah I don't put the whole game on the seer either, I feel a seer with out clears isn't very helpful as powers go, but I'm invested in the seer in this set because getting the right seer helps us win.
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Samool wrote:
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Samool wrote:
I think cvb is the sorcerer which makes zen good. In my opinion we should try have smugs and codeia claim at the same time in case one of them claims zen's role
I like your idea, but how does cvb being sorc make me good?

I viewed you as 'not wolf' last night...
Ah, gotcha.
 
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Smugs wrote:
I want people to clarify whether they intend to claim Seer or not.

Cvb is with a clear of me, and Samool with a clear of Zen.

If no one else claims, we have one Evil between them, and one between Codeia, me and Zen.
Wouldn't it just be a evil between cvb and samool. if the sorc is uninformed they can still clear a good player because they don't know who the wolf is either.
 
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ZenMonkey11 wrote:
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I want people to clarify whether they intend to claim Seer or not.

Cvb is with a clear of me, and Samool with a clear of Zen.

If no one else claims, we have one Evil between them, and one between Codeia, me and Zen.
Wouldn't it just be a evil between cvb and samool. if the sorc is uninformed they can still clear a good player because they don't know who the wolf is either.

No, because if cvb and Samool are the only people claiming Seer, one of them must actually be the Seer, and then the other Evil is in the pool of us three.
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