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This is a US shipping math trade. To participate you must be able to receive at a US address. If you are shipping from outside the US, you must explicitly disclose this.

Please note that there are several recent additions/changes to the rules. They are typically in bold with a ***NEW*** indication.

DATES
Deadline to submit offers: Sunday, September 8th, 12:30 AM Pacific
Deadline to submit wants: Sunday, September 15th, 12:30 AM Pacific
**Please note the AM deadlines.**


Shipping: If you do not specify any shipping conditions, you bear the full shipping cost to any US address. You may not list any shipping conditions that pertain to the contiguous 48 states (ie, you must pay the full shipping cost for sending out your items to locations within the CONUS). While you may specify conditions outside the CONUS, it is recommended that you do not. Items that you'll be sending via USPS flat rate or 1st class ship for the same cost to all areas covered by this math trade. Also, while you may apply conditions outside the CONUS, you should, at a minimum, cover an amount of the shipping expenses that would be required to ship within the CONUS. The less you restrict your shipping, the more potential you have that it will trade. *** This section has been re-worded for clarity ***

Trade Geeklist: https://boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/260945/september-19-us-ma...
Wishlist: https://boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/260946/september-19-us-ma...

MATH TRADE RULES AND GUIDELINES:

OLWLG REQUIRED
1. Use of the On-Line Want List Generator (OLWLG) is required for this math trade. (http://bgg.activityclub.org/olwlg/) Please get comfortable with it before the end of the trade. If you have questions, I suggest you post them in the discussion thread (link above). I or other users are happy to help you. There are several useful links to help you learn how to use the OLWLG at the bottom of this post.

ITEMS ALLOWED
2. Board and card games, BGG-related items, RPG items, video games, cash equivalent items (gift certificates, PayPal, etc.), and Geek Gold are allowed in this math trade. Cash equivalent items will need to be entered in the marketplace so BGG can collect their 3% commission for sales. Click here for more information on these Guidelines.

ARBITRAGE
3. Absolutely no GC/GG arbitrage, meaning you may not trade any gift card or GG lot for one of greater value. I will allow you to trade GC's for equal or lesser valued actual, physical GC's. Remember, if you intend to trade for cash equivalents, you must pay BGG a 3% commission. (See Guidelines link in rule #2, above)

You may not both simultaneously buy GG for cash equivalents and sell GG for cash equivalents in the same trade. Meaning if you intend to offer GG and request CE's for those listings, you may not also offer CE's and request GG, or vice versa. You may either be a buyer or seller, but not both during the same trade. This does not apply to any transaction where an actual game is being traded, strictly GG for CE and CE for GG transactions.

***NEW*** If, when the trade is run, there is a case of arbitrage, that user (including all of their items and wants) may be removed from the trade and the trade re-run. At the discretion of the moderator, that user may be banned from participating in future math trades.

***NEW*** Be cautious when using the OLWLG auto-check feature. It is not aware of the rules against arbitrage and will check boxes that may result in arbitrage. It is YOUR RESPONSIBILITY to review the checks that the auto-check feature generates.

ITEM DESCRIPTION
4. You must describe, as accurately as possible, the condition of the components and box, the language, and edition of your item and any sweeteners. You must (with the exception of items that are new in factory shrink wrap, ie NIS) inventory the game's components and list anything missing and/or damaged. If you do not, the game is expected to be complete, in like-new condition and be the most recent English edition.

***NEW*** If you list the condition of the item as anything less than excellent, you should be describing the issue(s) making you rate it less than excellent.

***NEW*** Language such as "components not inventoried", "no guarantee", "recipient's responsibility to contact the publisher in the event of missing pieces", etc. is NOT ALLOWED. Listings with such disclaimers will be removed from the trade. At the moderator's discretion, the user may be removed from the trade.

5. Add sweeteners by typing the name of the game into the "board game" box of the drop-down menu so they properly display in the OLWLG.

6. Do not use an item type listing for an item unless you are offering that item, this also applies to listings using hyperlinks in the description. For example, do not list the item as the game if you're only offering certain components for that game. When in doubt, use "outside the scope of BGG" as the main listing.

7. Items may be edited after listing. ***NEW*** This editing MAY include downgrading the initial listing. Should changes to a listing be made, the OLWLG will alert all users who have already selected the item as a want. It is THEIR responsibility to review and accept the changes (or remove the item from their wantlist).

8. If you wish to remove an item for consideration, DELETE the item. The OLWLG handles this just fine (See #9, below).

9. Subscribe to any and all items you are interested in, rather than writing down the number. If you write down the number and an item gets removed, the number will change.

PARTICIPANT OBLIGATIONS
10. Please subscribe to all of your listings and publicly acknowledge all questions. The OLWLG will let you know if any of your items have unanswered comments.

11. It is customary to enter all trades into the BGG trading system. This is most easily done if the items you are trading are listed in your collection and are marked as "For Trade". Please endeavor to do so and to leave feedback once the trade is completed. Under most circumstances, positive feedback should be given for the empty half of the math trade.

12. PLEASE BE AWARE THAT ENTERING INTO THIS MATH TRADE IS A COMMITMENT TO TRADE THE ITEMS THAT YOU ARE INDICATING YOU ARE WILLING TO TRADE FOR YOUR WANTED ITEMS. IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO DOUBLE CHECK DUPLICATE PROTECTION AND CHECK BOXES. IF YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO TRADE ONE OF YOUR ITEMS FOR ANOTHER ITEM, DO NOT INCLUDE IT IN YOUR WANTLIST. THE RESULTS, ONCE POSTED, ARE BINDING.

MODERATOR RESPONSIBILITY
13. Only errors by the moderator will invalidate the results. In the case that there is a problem after the final results are posted, at most it will only invalidate the affected trade chain(s) and not the entire results set. In addition, if the problem can be resolved by the most directly affected party or parties, then that is perfectly acceptable.

14. Decisions to anything that comes up regarding this math trade are decided by me. If you do not agree with me making such decisions, then don't participate in the math trade.


A general note:

While > 99% of the time trades go through smoothly, you are dealing with humans. Humans let other humans down and sometimes take advantage of them. Humans also sometimes make mistakes. If you are not ready to accept this fact, I suggest you refrain from entering this trade.

Please remember, every green check mark in the OLWLG means you are agreeing to make that trade. Once you submit your wants and the window to resubmit closes, you've agreed to those trades, and are expected to honor them, even in the event of a mistake.

I am running this trade because math trades are fun, exciting, and just plain awesome. Most of my collection has come from math trades. I am donating my time both for selfish reasons (to make trades) and out of gratitude to those that moderated the dozens of trades that I have enjoyed participating in. I am under no obligation to make everyone happy, nor will I try. Should you not like me or the way I run this trade, please refrain from entering.

HELPFUL LINKS
While there is a lot of useful information in these links, so of the information may be a bit outdated. The above rules of this trade take precedence over information in these links.
Math_Trades - If you're new to math trades, follow this link to learn the ropes.
Math Trades for Dummies - Another good intro.
Math Trade Walkthrough/FAQ for newbies - Another good resource with lots of answers to lots of frequently asked questions.
OLWLG - Read here for help using the On-Line Want List Generator to submit your want list.
Math Trade Video Tutorials - Tutorial videos
Rahdo Runs Through Math Trades video - covers all aspects of math trades
***NEW*** Finally, here's a link to an image to help you understand Duplicate Protection

Please post here if you have any questions. Math trades might look a bit complicated at first, but they're really easy once you get the hang of them.

Good luck and happy trading!
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Thanks for doing this again this month William!
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It's been a long time since I've done a math trade... was trying to use the Math Trades for Dummies link to refresh my memory, but all the images are dead. Maybe due to the recent site change? I posted on that thread too, but it's been a long time since the last post on it, so figured I'd do it here as well for visibility.

And thanks for running the trade!
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YAY!!


Also, this is showing up as a 'no ship' MT? I know it isn't, but might need to check a different box to clear it up.
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This is my first math trade and I am reading every word of all of those links. Thank you for giving me an opportunity to get some games I cannot trade for directly!
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sweetgotham wrote:
YAY!!


Also, this is showing up as a 'no ship' MT? I know it isn't, but might need to check a different box to clear it up.
It always does that for a bit until it is approved. No worries.

Thanks William! (And Bentley too for Starting the Monthlies Oct 2016)

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theinfamousj wrote:
This is my first math trade and I am reading every word of all of those links. Thank you for giving me an opportunity to get some games I cannot trade for directly!

I think I'm making this my first one too. One of those rabbit holes had video descriptions which helped a lot too.
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This will be my second math trade. I'm excited to go again! Thanks, William!
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Nest1903 wrote:
theinfamousj wrote:
This is my first math trade and I am reading every word of all of those links. Thank you for giving me an opportunity to get some games I cannot trade for directly!

I think I'm making this my first one too. One of those rabbit holes had video descriptions which helped a lot too.

For everyone that is new, welcome! Right now, all I would concern yourself with is making sure you have all of your items correctly submitted on the Geeklist. You can play with the OLWLG to get familiar, but it isn’t required at the moment. We will help you with that part once Sunday comes. It is daunting at first, but eventually it makes sense. Good luck!

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I've done a couple of math trades in the past, but it was a few years ago... forgot how to do things....

Just one question really:

I already added all the games I want to offer. How do I (easily) put in the conditions? Do I just have to go and manually find all my geeklist entries and edit the post with that info? Or do I put the information into the "trade condition" section from My Collection on bgg itself? I seem to remember a way to put in the condition info once and then it would automatically put it in if it gets offered on other math trades... is that the way? Since I already posted them, is it too late to do it this time?

TLDR: How do I add conditions for the games I already posted, and is there a different way for the future to help me streamline the process.

Thanks!
 
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joemomma wrote:
I've done a couple of math trades in the past, but it was a few years ago... forgot how to do things....

Just one question really:

I already added all the games I want to offer. How do I (easily) put in the conditions? Do I just have to go and manually find all my geeklist entries and edit the post with that info? Or do I put the information into the "trade condition" section from My Collection on bgg itself? I seem to remember a way to put in the condition info once and then it would automatically put it in if it gets offered on other math trades... is that the way? Since I already posted them, is it too late to do it this time?

TLDR: How do I add conditions for the games I already posted, and is there a different way for the future to help me streamline the process.

Thanks!
You have to have the condition in the geeklist item.

Use this button on this math trade in OLWLG
to easily access/edit your own listings.

*They don't show up immediately after adding to the geeklist. They have to be manually synced which occurs about once a day.
 
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GamingCoupleGA wrote:
*They don't show up immediately after adding to the geeklist. They have to be manually synced which occurs about once a day.
If you don't want to wait for the sync, from your BGG profile you can see a reverse chronological list of all geeklist items you've added. Just go to your profile, go to the Contributions tab, and in the righthand column click on the number next to "Geeklist Items".

Or just use this url:
https://boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/items/user/mitcharf?domai...

But replace "mitcharf" with your username.
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Honestly, I feel your pain, but you should be contacting William directly about your concerns and not airing things out here. It seems like they have been in contact, so at this point you should take them at face value and accept they've been sick. Some people can only ship on weekends, and some have mobility issues. I am sure William can get info for you and take care of things as needed. Til then, I might suggest deleting your comment and contacting him.
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breyfunk wrote:
For everyone that is new, welcome! Right now, all I would concern yourself with is making sure you have all of your items correctly submitted on the Geeklist. You can play with the OLWLG to get familiar, but it isn’t required at the moment. We will help you with that part once Sunday comes. It is daunting at first, but eventually it makes sense. Good luck!

That offer of help is much appreciated. I look forward to Sunday and learning how to use a new system.
 
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mattyd777 wrote:
Honestly, I feel your pain, but you should be contacting William directly about your concerns and not airing things out here. It seems like they have been in contact, so at this point you should take them at face value and accept they've been sick. Some people can only ship on weekends, and some have mobility issues. I am sure William can get info for you and take care of things as needed. Til then, I might suggest deleting your comment and contacting him.

I appreciate the advice.
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only way to add games to my OLWLG list is to make them as trade in my collection? I updated my list and then changed some games to trade but now it says I can't update for another 12 hours gulp
 
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ToweringChen wrote:
only way to add games to my OLWLG list is to make them as trade in my collection? I updated my list and then changed some games to trade but now it says I can't update for another 12 hours gulp

If you go to the actual trade list and click "Add item" you can do it that way as well. The actual trade list is the page it sends you too after you submit an item in the trade.

Look for "add item" after the initial header

https://boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/260945/september-19-us-ma...
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First time doing a Math trade.
Just one quick question:
If I add in an item for Dollars sent through Paypal, what fees are people referring to when they send through PayPal? Do you do Friends and Family or Merchants?
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Kilerazn wrote:
First time doing a Math trade.
Just one quick question:
If I add in an item for Dollars sent through Paypal, what fees are people referring to when they send through PayPal? Do you do Friends and Family or Merchants?

Typically you do merchants, although some do F&F. The fees are the typical % fees Paypal takes according to the amount you are paying. BGG also charges 3% so there's that too.
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Kilerazn wrote:
First time doing a Math trade.
Just one quick question:
If I add in an item for Dollars sent through Paypal, what fees are people referring to when they send through PayPal? Do you do Friends and Family or Merchants?

The fees that you generally see MT listings refer to are the 3% fees that BGG takes for transactions through the site. Usually (but not always), the trader offering cash pays that fee.

So if you offer $20, you actually send $20.60 because the recipient (acting as a "buyer" on the transaction) would owe BGG 60 cents.

As for paypal fees, that's up to you. Some pay via friends and family (which causes no fees) and some do not. Some recipients even request F&F, but you're not obligated to use it.
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biffpow wrote:
The fees that you generally see MT listings refer to are the 3% fees that BGG takes for transactions through the site. Usually (but not always), the trader offering cash pays that fee.
I don't believe there is a "usual". It just goes by whatever is offered in the listing. If it doesn't say they'll pay the BGG fees, then they aren't required or expected to be included.
 
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I see that I am quite late. Too busy playing Cloudspire
 
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I see that I am quite late. Too busy playing Cloudspire
And here I was worried you might be unpacking the mystery boxes. Whew!
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JustinRRizzo wrote:
I see that I am quite late. Too busy playing Cloudspire

Well, knock it off. Time's a tickin'...
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