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Antigonus Monophthalmus
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Yes or double yes?

Kucinich is open to the idea of running with Ron Paul.

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Re: Kucinich and Ron Paul
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Yes or double yes?

What's the question?
(a) Which they be forced out quickly in the nomination process?
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(b) Are they the most sane realistic candidates?

Either way it's a double yes (though Ron Paul's position on abortion is the only thing I find disturbing about his stances)
 
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Re: Kucinich and Ron Paul
Kucinich, yes-ish. Paul, very very very very very very very much no.
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Re: Kucinich and Ron Paul
Both are weirdos but Kucinich seems mostly harmless. Ron Paul combines Libertarian economics with a Republican stance on social issues, i.e. worst of both worlds.


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(b) Are they the most sane realistic candidates?
Sane ? No. Realistic? Double no.
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Re: Kucinich and Ron Paul
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Ron Paul combines Libertarian economics with a Republican stance on social issues...


Ron Paul has the typical Republican stand on social issues!? Where have you been these last 8 years? Republicans these days are mostly big government authoritarians.
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Re: Kucinich and Ron Paul
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Ron Paul has the typical Republican stand on social issues!? Where have you been these last 8 years? Republicans these days are mostly big government authoritarians.
Anti-choice, pro-gun, anti-First Amendment, wants to abolish education department & FDA and speaks out against affirmative action. Those are the typical Republican social issues I was speaking about.
I agree with you that Paul speaks consistently about a small goverment - but so have all Republicans for at least two decades. He sounds more sincere than most and opposing the war lends some credibility to it in Paul's case.
 
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Cross_ wrote:
Velusion wrote:
Ron Paul has the typical Republican stand on social issues!? Where have you been these last 8 years? Republicans these days are mostly big government authoritarians.
Anti-choice, pro-gun, anti-First Amendment, wants to abolish education department & FDA and speaks out against affirmative action. Those are the typical Republican social issues I was speaking about.
I agree with you that Paul speaks consistently about a small goverment - but so have all Republicans for at least two decades. He sounds more sincere than most and opposing the war lends some credibility to it in Paul's case.

He's anti-choice, but he wants to overturn Roe v. Wade to "let the states decide what is right for them" because "one size doesn't fit all". I'm all for states' rights and such, but liberty definitely should "fit all" and it's just a B.S. excuse to outlaw abortion.

What's wrong with being "pro gun"? I don't own a gun and never will and I'm not a fan of them at all, but it seems to me most people are "good guys" the more people who are allowed to have guns the more "good guys" have guns. If you outlaw guns, criminals who don't care about laws about stealing, assault and murder certainly won't give a shit about gun laws anyway.

I've never heard anything anti-first amendment from him, but I don't know whether or not to be very shocked or very unshocked if that's true. What's he said?

What's wrong with being against affirmative action. If someone only gets picked for a job or school because they are of a minority group, how is that helping anyone? I think more jobs and more schools are the answer, not fudging numbers or looking at skin color in order to shove diversity down everyone's throat. Affirmative action is condescending and patronizing and it doesn't do anything to solve the underlying problems that created the need to do something so drastic and half-baked to being with.

Ron Paul is anything but a typical Republican. (...and that's why he won't be president.)

As far as the republican field goes, he's the least offensive to me, and dammit, he seems like he's the most honest.

...and I'd be willing to bet that in his second term if he did get elected, he'd work on decriminalizing recreational drugs.
 
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Of all the candidates Ron Paul is the only one I am convinced has read the Constitution. Doesn't mean he would be a good President, though.

I think Kucinich is wrong to completely insane on every issue but think he's probably a good guy who calls it the way he sees it. I would probably vote for Kucinich for dog catcher, county treasurer or some other non-policy making position.

Hell, I'd vote for him for governor or congress if I lived in the right spot.
 
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Re: Kucinich and Ron Paul
@heyitscory: I don't think this is the right place to argue about the rights & wrongs of these issues. I just want to clarify where his is a typical Republican stance.

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I've never heard anything anti-first amendment from him, but I don't know whether or not to be very shocked or very unshocked if that's true. What's he said?
It's about his redefinition of the establishment clause meaning "no establishment of a single federal church". Government sponsorship of Christian churches is okay though, because "the Constitution is replete with references to god"- this makes me wonder whether he has in fact read that document or is just carrying it around with him.

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As far as the republican field goes, he's the least offensive to me, and dammit, he seems like he's the most honest.
I agree- but being the least offensive and most honest of that particular club is not really an achievement.

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...and I'd be willing to bet that in his second term if he did get elected, he'd work on decriminalizing recreational drugs.
Interesting point. His Libertarian supporters would be big on that, the Republican soccermoms would be horrified. Guess in the end it depends on what the pharma lobbyists want.
 
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